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From George Kinsman <>
Subject Re: Anybody home?
Date Wed, 16 Jan 2019 23:30:33 GMT
Hi there,

Lurker here too though I contributed a tiny piece here or there.

Imho here are a few of the reasons I personally haven't gotten more involved, and please note
I don't mean to offend anyone involved.

- Not on GitHub. As a .NET open source project it's the place to be, so not being on there
just raises the barrier to entry so much. Having up for grab tags, real issue tracker, etc.
- No active chat like gitter to discuss work or for users to discuss problems/get involved.
I've been working with MassTransit lately which has a very active chat and it makes a difference
in welcoming new users.
- This one is a a bit of a stretch, but being a java port perhaps isn't super attractive to
new users. A reimplementation would obviously be a huge cost with unknown complexity, but
there's a lot of newer .NET-isms that could make a difference, e.g. Span<T> that don't
exist in java. I suspect the exception model that underlies a lot of the architecture would
be quite different in a fresh .NET port too (e.g. fewer first chance exceptions). It's definitely
possible though, as Tantivy is proving<>tantivy<>.

The elephant in the room is that this is an open source project, and Lucene is backed by elastic,
which makes it a pretty tough sell when you can just install elastic and get an API to Lucene.
I wonder if creating a patreon for this project would drive more involvement, as is becoming
more common lately.

I don't mean to downplay the huge amount of work that's been put into this project at all
- it's certainly a labour of love. Just my 2c :).


From: Laimonas Simutis <>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:50:00 PM
Subject: Re: Anybody home?

oops, sent too early, to finish my side note:

If you want to attempt to contribute, you could try

- pull source from;data=02%7C01%7C%7C94cc0945d34148ef655308d67c062df6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636832763307449847&amp;sdata=ovn1ZXG%2BE3jDqmorfRH98%2Btb3m8Tcim%2BkqyvKJxLGbI%3D&amp;reserved=0<>
- run tests, (they should be all passing)
- check out;data=02%7C01%7C%7C94cc0945d34148ef655308d67c062df6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636832763307449847&amp;sdata=vmEGMPPDO3o8aF3GsRLOXJ4H%2Bxr089rMzH5iZUFv7KM%3D&amp;reserved=0<>,
perhaps some would be of interest to you

I have the ability to merge the pull requests but would hesitate to get
involved unless there is another committer available to bounce ideas and
run things. Or if Shad is still on, maybe Shad can provide guidance.


On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 4:47 PM Laimonas Simutis <> wrote:

> Hi Simon,
> Lurker here, just like you! The last I recall the state of the project was:
> - Shad was doing beta builds and gearing up for the official release of 4.8
> - There seemed to be bugs reported on the 4.8 and he was just working on
> those and doing the follow-up beta builds
> I contributed regularly over two years ago to get the bugs out of the
> core and then other things came up. Sometime later Shad took over and made
> great progress but has dropped off since summer.
> I could find time to contribute I think, but not convinced it is worth the
> time investment. Will it truly matter if this project goes away? Seems like
> a few of us here have warm feelings towards for several
> reasons but outside of that ... not so sure.
> The community seems to be happily pulling in 3.0.3 builds and moving on.
> To me, that means that wherever is used, it's some older
> projects? If you are doing something new in .net you are most likely going
> with .net core and you couldn't use 3.0.3 there.
> Would be cool to see this survive and go on, but is it worth it? That's
> the question that sort of leads me to not doing anything :)
> Side note:
> For those that want to attempt to contribute, pulling from
> Laimonas
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 12:21 PM Simon Svensson <> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've been lurking for a long time, but hadn't realized that the
>> situation was this far gone. So much for situational awareness...
>> I'll be clear and state that I'm more of a Lucene.Net user, rather than
>> a core developer, and I'm not that knowledgeable of the inner workings
>> of Lucene.Net.
>> What is the current state of the 4.8 port? I understand that the coding
>> has stopped for various reason, but is there any wiki or documentation
>> available for the current state of affairs? Even if I were to dedicate
>> some hours of the week to Lucene.Net, I wouldn't know where to start. Is
>> it enough to run the test fixtures and check for failures?
>> A year ago there was some discussions about barriers to entry. I think
>> that a "mentor" role where someone points at things to work on would
>> help in getting people started.
>> I also feel that I am not the right guy to submit a report to anyone.
>> Also, I bet there's more lurkers than me here. Come out of the shadows,
>> now's the time to assemble! ;)
>> // Simon Svensson
>> On 2019-01-16 18:15, Rich Bowen wrote:
>> > Once again, we're attempting to discover if anybody is at home on this
>> project. You've missed your reports for September, October, November,
>> December, and now January as well. If we don't hear from you, we will be
>> forced to move you to the attic.
>> >
>> > Please respond, immediately, copying on your
>> response, to tell us what's going on with you folks. Thanks.
>> >
>> > --Rich Bowen, for the Board of Directors
>> >
>> >

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