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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Redirecting retired podling websites
Date Sun, 04 Apr 2021 12:04:38 GMT
On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 12:47, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 01:31, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 2021, at 4:49 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 23:43, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Apr 3, 2021, at 3:38 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 22:28, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 17:48, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I noticed you did a lot of updates to .htaccess [1] - I have
some inline questions.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Dave Fisher <wave@apache.org>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hi Sebb,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:22 PM, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> It's currently quite awkward fixing up retired podling
websites so
> > >>>>>>> they redirect to the status page.
> > >>>>>>> There are currently about 6 such podlings, dating back
to Nov 2013.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> [It's easy enough to do this for incubator sub-sites
(e.g.
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/wave), as these can use
a single .htaccess
> > >>>>>>> file; that is not the case for the above sites otherwise
they would
> > >>>>>>> have been fixed ages ago]
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Recent podlings use websites like http://ariatosca.apache.org/
and/or
> > >>>>>>> http://ariatosca.incubator.apache.org/
> > >>>>>>> The redirects need to be added in each website source.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> This can be difficult to do, see INFRA-21451 re Tamaya.
> > >>>>>>> This was opened on Feb 21st and has yet to be completed.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I have proposed an Infra PR which should make it much
easier to set up
> > >>>>>>> the redirect to the status file.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The idea is to set up a special directory:
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/retired/
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> For each retired podling, create a marker directory,
e.g.
> > >>>>>>> tamaya/
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I can add a step in the clutch2.sh shell script to maintain
these placeholders.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Do you still need retired/${podling} marker directories?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not yet.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Infra have not yet applied the PR, so the marker directories won't
> > >>>> have any effect yet.
> > >>>
> > >>> The PR has now been applied.
> > >>
> > >> So, please review https://incubator.apache.org/podlings_retired.txt
> > >
> > > No idea what that file has to do with this thread, or what you expect
> > > me to review.
> > >
> > >> If create a retired/$col1 directory on the website the trouble will resolve?
> > >
> > > Try creating retired/tamaya/ and see what happens to http://tamaya.apache.org/
> > > It should redirect to http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html
> > >
> > > N.B. this only needs to be done for retired podlings whose URLs don't
> > > already redirect.
> > >
> > > There are only about 6 of those, see:
> > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-262
> > >
> > >> I want to make sure I'm picking the podling attribute you expect.
> > >
> > > The directory name under retired/ must be the same as the unqualified
> > > host name for the podling website.
> >
> > I’m not sure I’m doing what you expected:
> >
> > A file is created with the directories you expect at http://incubator.apache.org/retired/tamaya/project.txt
>
> There is no need for a file. However AIUI Git does not support empty
> directories in checkouts.
> It might be better to create an empty index.html file instead.
>
> > The source is here: https://github.com/apache/incubator/blob/master/assets/retired/tamaya/project.txt
> >
> > However I’m not seeing the redirect.
>
> There was a missing path segment in the directory check, so the server
> was not finding the directory.
> This has now been fixed, and http://tamaya.apache.org/ does redirect.
> (You may need to clear the browser cache).
>
> However http://tamaya.incubator.apache.org/ is not redirecting
> properly. I need to look into this further.

I'm hopeful that
https://github.com/apache/infrastructure-p6/pull/672
will fix the issue.

>
> > >
> > > i.e. tamaya for tamaya.apache.org or tamaya.incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> If the web server detects that there is a directory
matching the first
> > >>>>>>> part of the web host name (e.g. tamaya), then it redirects
to
> > >>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/tamaya.html (e.g.)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I think we should also review the .htaccess for the incubator.
More tomorrow.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would you explain .htaccess comments like:
> > >>>>> # https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf?p=incubator-retired-pirk.git;a=blob;f=.htaccess;hb=refs/heads/asf-site
> > >>>>> # https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sirona/site/.htaccess
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There was a TODO for the retired podling; I replaced it with details
> > >>>> of where the htaccess file is located.
> > >>>> (The redirect cannot be done in [1])
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Would .htaccess redirects like the following break anything?
> > >>>>> RedirectMatch Permanent ^/sirona(/.*)?$ http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sirona.html
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Redirects would not work.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Or rather, they would only apply to http(s)://incubator.apache.org/sirona/*
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I don't think that would do any harm, but the original website
was
> > >>>> http(s)://sirona.apache.org/ so they would not be particularly
useful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> If possible I think that the whole set of graduated and retired
.htaccess could be generated.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Not sure it's worth the effort of coding, testing and maintaining
such
> > >>>> a generator.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Changes are not that frequent, and are pretty easy to do by reference
> > >>>> to an existing entry.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In any case, I don't think there will be (m)any more changes to
[1] --
> > >>>> podling redirects will have to be made elsewhere.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When current podlings retire, the htaccess entry has to be made
in the
> > >>>> podling website.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> However if Infra apply the PR, redirects can be enabled simply
by
> > >>>> setting up the retired/<podling> marker directory.
> > >>>
> > >>> The PR has been applied, so it should now work.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> [1] https://raw.githubusercontent.com/apache/incubator/master/assets/.htaccess
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> All The Best,
> > >>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Regards,
> > >>>>>> Dave
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Simples.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Sebb.
> > >>>>>>> P.S. Attic works in a similar way, but adds a banner
instead of redirecting.
> > >>>>>>>
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