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From Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Date Fri, 23 Apr 2021 02:21:44 GMT
>From my understanding, these known things related to Shenyu from a name
text perspective are fine.
Once the Shenyu's team feels this would impact your further marketing, it
is fine to Incubator.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Yu Xiao <xiaoyu@apache.org> 于2021年4月23日周五 上午10:01写道:

> Hi Zhenxu,
>
> We are very appreciative about the helpful feedback from you.
>
> About the project name ShenYu, we just completed checks following the guide
> from Apache [1].
>
> We found the trademarks exist in Canadian and EUIPO via WIPO Global Brand
> Search [2] in the Nice CI. 42.
>
> After consulting with our mentors, we knew that the medical equipment
> company and what they produce [3] will not likely be confused with this
> product.
>
> For other search results which are not in the Nice CI. 42, also will not be
> confused.
>
> We need more helpful comments from IPMC regarding the name. Thanks.
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html#namesearch
> [2] https://www3.wipo.int/branddb/en/
> [3]
>
> http://www.ic.gc.ca/app/opic-cipo/trdmrks/srch/viewTrademark.html?Open=1&id=1819418-00&lang=eng&extension=00&startingDocumentIndexOnPage=1&fileNumber=1819418&wbdisable=true
>
> Best Regards
>
> Yu
>
> Yu Xiao <xiaoyu@apache.org> 于2021年4月22日周四 下午4:55写道:
>
> > Hi Sheng & IPMC,
> >
> > We are very appreciate about the helpful feedback from you and IPMC.
> Thank
> > you all!
> >
> > We have discussed the current situation of ShenYu project and the points
> > to be improved with our mentors these days, as follows:
> >
> > We we come to an agreement that too high a bar for initial committer ship
> > can be detrimental to the project.
> >
> > Further more, we notice that Justin already had mentioned "It best to
> keep
> > the committer bar low".
> >
> > Based on the suggestions from mentors, We nominating additional
> committers
> > based on their contributions to the project.
> >
> > And active to refine the committers list. After several days of
> discussion
> > [1], we re-elected the initial committers.
> >
> > It can find the detail info in the proposal which we have updated the
> > proposal, refer to [2].
> >
> > We notices that the ShenYu community is not diverse enough, and we
> learned
> > that we really need for a more diverse community.
> >
> > I believe that, this is also our original intention to dedicate ShenYu to
> > Apache community.
> >
> > We hope that more friends from any companies and any countries around the
> > world will participate in ShenYu project.
> >
> > I and the PMC of ShenYu will pay more attention to this and appreciate
> the
> > mentors and IPMC to supervise.
> >
> > The open,fair and elite spirit of Apache foundation is worthy of
> > continuous learning by myself and ShenYu project.
> >
> > I believe ShenYu's join in Apache incubator will be a happy journey of
> > continuous learning.
> >
> > The Apache way is our way. Any feedback and guidance are welcome!
> >
> > XiaoYu & Jincheng
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/dromara/soul/issues/1282
> > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/ShenYuProposal
> >
> > kezhenxu94@apache <kezhenxu94@apache.org> 于2021年4月21日周三 下午9:32写道:
> >
> >> In addition to Sheng’s list, I’ll also suggest the community to
> reconsider
> >> the project name “ShenYu”, because from a quick search, there are
> several
> >> potential branding / trademark conflicts, such as [1], [2], and [3].
> >>
> >> Note that there is no official Chinese names for ASF Projects so you
> won’t
> >> have “神禹” officially to distinguish yourself from others with the same
> >> pinyin “ShenYu”.
> >>
> >> You may not want to change the name again later b/c that's a lot of work
> >> and can be disruptive to your community, as you’ve already changed once.
> >>
> >> [1] SHENYU Official Store <https://www.aliexpress.com/store/2792168>
> >> [2] Shenyu <http://www.shenyu-group.com/en/>
> >> [3] 神鱼(SHENYU)京东自营旗舰店 https://shenyu.jd.com
> >>
> >> > On Apr 19, 2021, at 21:24, Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Shenyu community
> >> >
> >> > IPMC has an internal discussion these 2 days. My concerns have been
> >> > resolved.
> >> > Some IPMC members want to give the following suggestions to the
> Shenyu's
> >> > team
> >> > - The incubating evaluation process only runs some checks on project
> >> > branding, IP clearance, and community-related issues.
> >> > - There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or
> the
> >> > mentor side even if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator.
> >> > - Company affiliations of potential committers shouldn't matter.
> Anyone
> >> can
> >> > become a committer not matter who they work for.
> >> > - Code and no of commits is not the only activity that result in
> >> > committership.
> >> > - It is best to keep the committer bar low.
> >> > - Dictators / leaders, friendly or other wise are not welcome. The
> code
> >> and
> >> > management of that must be given over to the community.
> >> > - Don't play the number game. The Apache counts on the real community
> >> > activities. A TLP could be a big or small community, but need to be
> >> real.
> >> >
> >> > These are going to be very important with other Apache cultures you
> >> need to
> >> > learn and follow.
> >> > If you are willing to learn and follow from your experienced mentors
> and
> >> > IPMC, I am welcome you to join the incubator journey.
> >> >
> >> > And this kind of argument is normal, you will experience more and must
> >> have
> >> > to face -1 one day, at least when releasing, which would not be
> pleasant
> >> > always and also normal cases. :)
> >> > Once you get the idea and baseline, it would not be that hard.
> >> >
> >> > Work closely with your community and mentors, have good luck.
> >> > I am looking forward to your new proposal.
> >> >
> >> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2021年4月18日周日 下午2:41写道:
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks, Duo.
> >> >> Look forward to a better version of their proposal.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >> >> Twitter, wusheng1108
> >> >>
> >> >> 张铎(Duo Zhang) <palomino219@gmail.com> 于2021年4月18日周日
下午12:11写道:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks Willem for clarifying.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As long as the community status is not important when joining
> >> incubtor(it
> >> >>> is important when graduating), and there are some concerns, let's
> >> remove
> >> >>> the sensitive words such as 'diverse' in the proposal, just mention
> >> that
> >> >>> the project is already open sourced and has an initial community,
so
> >> we
> >> >> do
> >> >>> not need to argue on this any more.
> >> >>> And lack of English skill is a problem. Talking with the project
> >> leaders,
> >> >>> they need to use google translate a lot when the topic is not about
> >> tech,
> >> >>> so it is easy for them to be misunderstood.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> So let's focus on the problems which must be solved before joining
> the
> >> >>> incubator. I think the initial committer candidate is a problem
and
> I
> >> saw
> >> >>> the project leaders have already started to solve it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> And also, I agree with Willem that, joining incubator does not
mean
> >> >>> endorsement from ASF and the mentors about technology. We just
want
> to
> >> >> help
> >> >>> the project to build the community in Apache way in the future.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thanks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Willem Jiang <willem.jiang@gmail.com> 于2021年4月17日周六
下午11:08写道:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start
a
> >> >>>> discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial
> committer
> >> >>>> choosing standard.
> >> >>>> Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the
> selected
> >> >>>> committer if they want to join as the initial committer.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> BTW, to be more clear,  the incubating evaluation process only
runs
> >> >>>> some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community
related
> >> >>>> issues.
> >> >>>> There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache
or
> >> the
> >> >>>> mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Willem Jiang
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Twitter: willemjiang
> >> >>>> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean <
> >> >> justin@classsoftware.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Hi,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> We have make the election criterion of initial
committer:
> >> >> continuously
> >> >>>>>>> contribute for the last one year, code of lines
over 3000,
> commits
> >> >>>> over 15.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high
to me.
> A
> >> >> year
> >> >>>> is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they
become
> a
> >> >>>> committer. They will probably make your incubation journey
longer.
> >> It’s
> >> >>>> also important to remember that people should b able to become
> >> >> committers
> >> >>>> by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways,
in
> >> >> particular
> >> >>>> anything to do with community building.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will
be removed from
> >> >> the
> >> >>>>>>> committers list.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> There is no real harm is having more initial committers.
The PMC /
> >> >>>> committer list can be refined at graduation and people who
have not
> >> >> made
> >> >>>> contributions removed.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing
events.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I
hope they
> are
> >> >> on
> >> >>>> the initial committer list.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Thanks,
> >> >>>>> Justin
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
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> >> >>
> >>
> >> —————————
> >> Zhenxu Ke (柯振旭)
> >> GitHub @kezhenxu94
> >>
> >>
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