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From Andy Grove <andygrov...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Looking for guidance on IP clearance process for donation to Apache Arrow
Date Mon, 05 Apr 2021 14:25:00 GMT
Thank you Craig for the detailed advice. I have updated the IP clearance
form and will start the vote email thread shortly.

Andy,

On Sun, Apr 4, 2021 at 1:40 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
>
> > On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for that advice, Craig.
> >
> > I have gone ahead and created
> > https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/arrow-rust-ballista.html in
> > preparation for the vote and I have a couple more questions now:
> >
> > 1. The trademark search did find other software products using the name
> > Ballista as a registered trademark. What are the implications of this?
> Will
> > I need to remove use of that name from the PR before proceeding to a
> vote?
>
> I'd say no. The Arrow PMC will need to decide on the name to use going
> forward. Remember that the trademark law is intended to avoid confusion of
> consumers in the marketplace.
>
> The PMC will ask if anyone will be confused between e.g.
> https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/ballista/index.html and
> https://github.com/ballista-compute/ballista . But that only applies if
> the PMC decides to keep the name of the sub-project. There is no reason to
> change the name of your git project before moving the code to Arrow. Once
> it's in the Arrow repository you can make the changes to file/directory
> names and copyright notices, etc.
>
> >
> > 2. What do I do about the checklist item "Check that all active
> committers
> > have a signed CLA on record"? Do I go ahead and put a date against it and
> > add additional text stating that not all contributors have submitted a
> CLA?
>
> Yes, here is where an essay is required in response. Include the names of
> the folks who have not responded to your request and the size of their
> contributions, and the risk in case they don't file an ICLA and later show
> up demanding that you remove their contributions.
>
> Regards,
> Craig
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Andy.
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 6:32 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> This is just my opinion; others may have different ideas.
> >>
> >> I'm considering that the project is licensed under the terms of the
> Apache
> >> License, v2.0 and I'm assuming that the contributors knew that when they
> >> made their contributions.
> >>
> >> I'd continue to try to obtain ICLAs from the other contributors (not
> just
> >> the 5 with >1 commit but all of them).
> >>
> >> I'd guess that you won't get every single contributor to file an ICLA
> but
> >> it's probably ok to continue to a vote.
> >>
> >> The only risk that I see is one of the contributors later has a change
> of
> >> mind, decides that they didn't understand that this is an open source
> >> project intended to be licensed under the terms of the ALv2.0 and then
> >> complains. At that point, the project might decide that they need to
> >> rewrite the contributor's code in order to remove the nuisance.
> >>
> >> So I'd say to go ahead and expect that the contributors who fail to
> submit
> >> an ICLA are just not interested and will fade into history without any
> >> trouble.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Dave.
> >>>
> >>> To give an update on the situation, out of the 12 committers with > 1
> >>> commit, we have ICLAs submitted or already on file for 7 of those,
> >>> including all the contributors that I would consider key to the
> project.
> >> I
> >>> have been unable to get any response from the other 5 so far.
> >>>
> >>> Based on this, should I consider moving to a vote now or wait and see
> if
> >> I
> >>> can get more signed ICLAs?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Andy.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:00 AM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi -
> >>>>
> >>>> Since this is Andy’s project under the Apache License then I’m not
> sure
> >>>> that other’s ICLA matters. But ...
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 8:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Andy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Typically you would look at the top contributors and aim for ICLAs
> from
> >>>>> those.  Don't forget you have to have a vote here as well when done!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would aim for these individuals:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 231  Andy Grove
> >>>>> 27  Ximo Guanter
> >>>>> 7  QP Hou
> >>>>> 6  Boaz Berman
> >>>>> 5  Daniël Heres
> >>>>> 4  Jack Chan
> >>>>> 4  Patrick More
> >>>>> 3  Ben Cohen
> >>>>> 3  Hendrik Makait
> >>>>> 3  Jorge Leitao
> >>>>> 2  Hamish Nicholson
> >>>>> 2  Tanapol Prucksakorn
> >>>>
> >>>> I would look more into the nature of these commits. Who would you ask
> to
> >>>> be a committer?
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Dave
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:18 AM Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Apache Arrow PMC has passed a vote to accept the donation
of the
> >>>>>> Ballista project [1].
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The donation contains code from ~30 contributors and it may
not be
> >>>> possible
> >>>>>> to obtain ICLAs from all of them. If this does turn out to be
the
> >>>>>> situation, what steps can we take instead?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/9723
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> clr@apache.org
> >>
> >>
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