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From Kevin Ratnasekera <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Incubating Proposal of Shenyu
Date Sat, 17 Apr 2021 21:27:07 GMT

I also agree on reevaluating the initial committer list and bringing more

I also felt this while reading the thread, that there's a language
communication gap and may have caused some misunderstandings.
Basically initial project maintainers / committers may have made several
assumptions of the incubation checklist, while writing this proposal,
thinking that they need to defend everything that's on the proposal
in order to get accepted. They probably have made some mistakes in writing
the proposal as well.
These are okay and that's why we have proposal discussion here, we can take
things from here.

Sheng's main argument is to state the true status of the community in the
proposal. This doesn't mean your proposal will get evaluated based on this.
It's okay to not have a perfect or diversified community at this time of
proposal. This is to understand the risks involved,
and try to address these day one in the incubation process. But in order to
do this, we need to admit / accept the current status where we are at right

For the very limited interaction I had, what I can say is, there is some
great interest from project members to become an Apache project.
Technology point of view, they have done some promising work.


On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 8:31 PM Willem Jiang <> wrote:

> After having some talk with the project leaders, we will start a
> discussion in the dromara community to make a clear initial committer
> choosing standard.
> Then we will update the initial committer list by asking the selected
> committer if they want to join as the initial committer.
> BTW, to be more clear,  the incubating evaluation process only runs
> some checks on project branding, IP clearance and community related
> issues.
> There is no endorsement of the project's technology from Apache or the
> mentor side if the project is accepted by Apache Incubator.
> Willem Jiang
> Twitter: willemjiang
> Weibo: 姜宁willem
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 7:36 AM Justin Mclean <>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > >> We have make the election criterion of initial committer: continuously
> > >> contribute for the last one year, code of lines over 3000, commits
> over 15.
> >
> > While not as high as some TLP this seems a little too high to me. A year
> is a long time for someone to hang about on the chance they become a
> committer. They will probably make your incubation journey longer. It’s
> also important to remember that people should b able to become committers
> by not contributing code but by helping out in other ways, in particular
> anything to do with community building.
> >
> > >> So Yonglun Zhang, Jinwei Qin and Lei Zhang will be removed from the
> > >> committers list.
> >
> > There is no real harm is having more initial committers. The PMC /
> committer list can be refined at graduation and people who have not made
> contributions removed.
> >
> > >> During 2020-11~2020-12, we held source code sharing events.
> >
> > Who was involved in the organisation f these events, I hope they are on
> the initial committer list.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> >
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