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From Craig Russell <apache....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Looking for guidance on IP clearance process for donation to Apache Arrow
Date Sun, 04 Apr 2021 19:40:03 GMT
Hi Andy,

> On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that advice, Craig.
> 
> I have gone ahead and created
> https://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/arrow-rust-ballista.html in
> preparation for the vote and I have a couple more questions now:
> 
> 1. The trademark search did find other software products using the name
> Ballista as a registered trademark. What are the implications of this? Will
> I need to remove use of that name from the PR before proceeding to a vote?

I'd say no. The Arrow PMC will need to decide on the name to use going forward. Remember that
the trademark law is intended to avoid confusion of consumers in the marketplace.

The PMC will ask if anyone will be confused between e.g. https://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/ballista/index.html
and 
https://github.com/ballista-compute/ballista . But that only applies if the PMC decides to
keep the name of the sub-project. There is no reason to change the name of your git project
before moving the code to Arrow. Once it's in the Arrow repository you can make the changes
to file/directory names and copyright notices, etc.

> 
> 2. What do I do about the checklist item "Check that all active committers
> have a signed CLA on record"? Do I go ahead and put a date against it and
> add additional text stating that not all contributors have submitted a CLA?

Yes, here is where an essay is required in response. Include the names of the folks who have
not responded to your request and the size of their contributions, and the risk in case they
don't file an ICLA and later show up demanding that you remove their contributions. 

Regards,
Craig
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Andy.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 6:32 PM Craig Russell <apache.clr@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is just my opinion; others may have different ideas.
>> 
>> I'm considering that the project is licensed under the terms of the Apache
>> License, v2.0 and I'm assuming that the contributors knew that when they
>> made their contributions.
>> 
>> I'd continue to try to obtain ICLAs from the other contributors (not just
>> the 5 with >1 commit but all of them).
>> 
>> I'd guess that you won't get every single contributor to file an ICLA but
>> it's probably ok to continue to a vote.
>> 
>> The only risk that I see is one of the contributors later has a change of
>> mind, decides that they didn't understand that this is an open source
>> project intended to be licensed under the terms of the ALv2.0 and then
>> complains. At that point, the project might decide that they need to
>> rewrite the contributor's code in order to remove the nuisance.
>> 
>> So I'd say to go ahead and expect that the contributors who fail to submit
>> an ICLA are just not interested and will fade into history without any
>> trouble.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:31 AM, Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Dave.
>>> 
>>> To give an update on the situation, out of the 12 committers with > 1
>>> commit, we have ICLAs submitted or already on file for 7 of those,
>>> including all the contributors that I would consider key to the project.
>> I
>>> have been unable to get any response from the other 5 so far.
>>> 
>>> Based on this, should I consider moving to a vote now or wait and see if
>> I
>>> can get more signed ICLAs?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Andy.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:00 AM Dave Fisher <wave4dave@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi -
>>>> 
>>>> Since this is Andy’s project under the Apache License then I’m not sure
>>>> that other’s ICLA matters. But ...
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 8:25 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Andy
>>>>> 
>>>>> Typically you would look at the top contributors and aim for ICLAs from
>>>>> those.  Don't forget you have to have a vote here as well when done!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would aim for these individuals:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 231  Andy Grove
>>>>> 27  Ximo Guanter
>>>>> 7  QP Hou
>>>>> 6  Boaz Berman
>>>>> 5  Daniël Heres
>>>>> 4  Jack Chan
>>>>> 4  Patrick More
>>>>> 3  Ben Cohen
>>>>> 3  Hendrik Makait
>>>>> 3  Jorge Leitao
>>>>> 2  Hamish Nicholson
>>>>> 2  Tanapol Prucksakorn
>>>> 
>>>> I would look more into the nature of these commits. Who would you ask to
>>>> be a committer?
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:18 AM Andy Grove <andygrove73@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Apache Arrow PMC has passed a vote to accept the donation of
the
>>>>>> Ballista project [1].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The donation contains code from ~30 contributors and it may not be
>>>> possible
>>>>>> to obtain ICLAs from all of them. If this does turn out to be the
>>>>>> situation, what steps can we take instead?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Andy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1] https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/9723
>>>>>> 
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>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> clr@apache.org
>> 
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Craig L Russell
clr@apache.org


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