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From 俊平堵 <junping...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] NuttX Proposal
Date Tue, 03 Dec 2019 11:48:12 GMT
Hi Flavio,
     Thanks for volunteering! I am adding you as the mentor of the project.

Thanks,

Junping

Flavio Junqueira <fpj@apache.org> 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:28写道:

> Hi Junping,
>
> I'd like to volunteer.
>
> -Flavio
>
> > On 3 Dec 2019, at 11:19, 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Got it. Thanks for updating, Ted.
> > Any other volunteers?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Junping
> >
> > Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com> 于2019年12月3日周二 下午6:15写道:
> >
> >> Jumping,
> >>
> >> It would be great to help more with nuttx, but my board membership and a
> >> new day job would make me much less than a good mentor.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 1:56 AM 俊平堵 <junping_du@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds like most of concerns are addressed through the discussion.
> >>> Just like Justin said, we will call the vote once one or two mentor get
> >>> volunteer here.
> >>> Ted and Dave, why not watch how project is going as mentor and make
> sure
> >> it
> >>> follow Apache way if you got time and interest for the project.:)
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Junping
> >>>
> >>> Justin Mclean <justinmclean@gmail.com>于2019年12月3日 周二上午8:43写道:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> As soon as an additional mentors or two are identified I would call
> >> for a
> >>>> vote.
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>> Justin
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019, 10:39 Greg Stein, <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I say just move to a vote and stop the second-guessing. GNutt seems
> >>>>> on-board. Let them get their stuff done.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 5:23 PM Alex Harui <aharui@adobe.com.invalid>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Might be less risk and disruption for a few experienced ASF
folks
> >> to
> >>> go
> >>>>>> "live amongst" the NuttX folks where they are now and verify
that
> >>> that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> founder's authority and reputation will not result in a BDFL
> >> effect.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just a thought,
> >>>>>> -Alex
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12/2/19, 12:48 PM, "Ted Dunning" <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    Very well said.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    I am optimistic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>    On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:26 PM Gregory Nutt <
> >> spudaneco@gmail.com
> >>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This is a good discussion to have had before entering
the
> >>>>>> incubator, and
> >>>>>>> I'm satisfied that the intent is good, and the podling can
> >>>>>> demonstrate
> >>>>>>> during incubation that the founder will in fact step back
and
> >>>> allow
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> project to move forward without the founder's undue
> >> influence.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Note that it's fine for the founder to continue to work
on
> >>> the
> >>>>>> project,
> >>>>>>> but in a different role.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have been standing back and not getting deeply involved
> >> with
> >>>> this
> >>>>>>> discussion because it pertains too closely to me.  It is
my
> >>>>>> intention to
> >>>>>>> divest myself of total authority over the project just as
> >>> stated
> >>>> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> Proposal.  Further, it is my intention to stay out of the
> >>> initial
> >>>>>>> formation of the project as much as possible, in partial
> >>>>> fulfillment
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> Ted Dunning's "thought experiment."  I intend to vote 0
on
> >> all
> >>>>>> decisions
> >>>>>>> before the PPMC -- unless, I suppose, I had some very strong
> >>>>> opinion
> >>>>>>> about some topic.  I cannot imagine what topic that might
be,
> >>>>>> however.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I will be available as needed for information needed by
the
> >>>> others
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> accomplish this transition but for the most part, just
> >> consider
> >>>> me
> >>>>>> as on
> >>>>>>> vacation in place.  I will help as much as needed and stay
> >> out
> >>> of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> way as much as possible.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I suppose I should say a little more about my motivations
in
> >>>> this.
> >>>>>>> Without some understanding, is is reasonable to be skeptical.
> >>>> Yes,
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> project is very dear to me and the result of many years
of
> >>> blood,
> >>>>>> sweat,
> >>>>>>> and tears and years of work mostly done alone for crazy
long
> >>>> hours.
> >>>>>>> Being a "benevolent dictator" does not proper describe my
> >> past
> >>>> role
> >>>>>>> because I was the ONLY person on the project.  I did
> >>>> everything.  I
> >>>>>>> still do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There are two things that motivate me:  First, the workload
> >> has
> >>>>>> gotten
> >>>>>>> to be far too much for one person.  I dispose of around
> >> 60-100
> >>>>>> changes
> >>>>>>> per week and really have no personal life left.  It is more
> >>> than
> >>>> I
> >>>>>> can
> >>>>>>> do (and much more than I can do well).  The only real way
to
> >>>> solve
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>>> is to open the project up to others working as equals. 
The
> >>>> second,
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> more important, motivation is the I am closing in on 70
years
> >>> old
> >>>>>> now.
> >>>>>>> I retired 8 retires ago and I cannot realistically control
> >> this
> >>>>>> project
> >>>>>>> long into the future.   For my personal health and sanity,
I
> >>>> really
> >>>>>> need
> >>>>>>> to detach and let the project take a life of its own that
> >> does
> >>>> not
> >>>>>>> depend on me in any way.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would see the biggest risk to a new PPMC would not be
me,
> >> but
> >>>>>> rather
> >>>>>>> the sheer volume of work that the PPMC is stepping into.
 I
> >> am
> >>>>>> prepared
> >>>>>>> for some initial chaos and perhaps a missed release cycle.
> >>> But I
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>> come to accept that that is a reasonable price to pay for
a
> >>> clean
> >>>>>>> knife-edge hand-off.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Greg
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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