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From Ian Luo <ian....@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:52:37 GMT
Jan, you may need to start from https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
.

Regards,
-Ian.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:29 PM Jan Piotrowski <piotrowski@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Semi OT:
> Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
> such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
> information soon-ish myself, thanks.
>
> -J
>
> Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <
> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> >
> > The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these
> three.
> > I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project
> > 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> > 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> > 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
> >
> > Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the
> > description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> > If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be asked
> > stop in the same case.
> > Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
> >
> > [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> > [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > > 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other
> name
> > > > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > > dubbo.github.io,
> > > > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> in
> > > > this group
> > > > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > >
> > > Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just
> reply
> > > the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the dubbo.github.io
> ,
> > > if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> > >
> > > I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust
> the
> > > Dubbo community could make it right.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >
> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道:
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which
> > >> concerns me
> > >> > more are
> > >> > 1. Website codebase.
> > >> > 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will
> do
> > >> the
> > >> following things against dubbo group:
> > >> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > >> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name
> > >> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> dubbo.github.io
> > >> ,
> > >> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website
> in
> > >> this group
> > >> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > >> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> > >>
> > >> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the
> actions
> > >> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and
> > >> hopefully get back to you soon.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> -Ian.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <
> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Hi.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
We
> cannot
> > >> > do it
> > >> > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
ICLA
> for
> > >> > each
> > >> > > projects are signed,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is
> decided by
> > >> > the
> > >> > > project owner or Dubbo community.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group
except
> for
> > >> the
> > >> > > repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you
say
> > >> > > `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> > >> >
> > >> > No. The redirection has been completed.
> > >> > You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> > >> > The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> > >> > Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF.
> > >> > To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them
> to
> > >> > other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> > >> > I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually".
> > >> >
> > >> > > Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial
> Source,
> > >> "Home
> > >> > > Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> > >> > > If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that
> before
> > >> > > graduation.
> > >> >
> > >> > IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been
> > >> > redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all
in
> > >> > > http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which
> is
> > >> > harder
> > >> > > to understand for me.
> > >> >
> > >> > Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache
> or
> > >> > Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> > >> > The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record.
> > >> > The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > This is a block for me.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> like
> > >> this:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub
> org
> > >> > > avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same,
> which
> > >> both
> > >> > of
> > >> > > them belong to ASF.
> > >> > > Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared.
> Especially, I
> > >> > think
> > >> > > Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should
> be
> > >> able
> > >> > > to be fixed.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue.
> > >> > I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for
> > >> > defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> > >> > Another way is to create another group with something other than
> > >> > dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> > >> >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> > >> > > this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before
the
> > >> > > transition finishes.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a
> TLP, the
> > >> > > PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want
> about
> > >> > your
> > >> > > own repo.
> > >> > > Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific
ones
> in
> > >> the
> > >> > > initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> > >> > > [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> > >> > > [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
are
> done.
> > >> > Could
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
org
> to
> > >> be
> > >> > > > > processed well? Such as,
> > >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
other
> > >> > way(community
> > >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
important.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going.
We
> cannot
> > >> > do it
> > >> > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make
sure
> ICLA
> > >> for
> > >> > each
> > >> > > > projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything
> into
> > >> > Apache
> > >> > > > group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
> to
> > >> > > > dubbo.apache.org.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
> like
> > >> this:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> > >> > > > Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> > >> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is
for
> > >> hosting
> > >> > dubbo
> > >> > > > eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I hope this can answer your concerns.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Regards,
> > >> > > > -Ian.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <
> wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> > >> >
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
now
> redirects
> > >> to
> > >> > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
it may
> be
> > >> > that a
> > >> > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is
being
> taken.
> > >> The
> > >> > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
of
> times
> > >> in
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > > project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
[1][2] and
> more
> > >> > > > recently
> > >> > > > > [3][4].
> > >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is
happening [5].
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects
are
> done.
> > >> > Could
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
org
> to
> > >> be
> > >> > > > > processed well? Such as,
> > >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> > >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some
other
> > >> > way(community
> > >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> > >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very
important.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> > >> > projects/developers,
> > >> > > > so
> > >> > > > > please consider to make sure the branding is clear
before
> > >> graduation.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
canceled,
> the
> > >> > > > dependancy
> > >> > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
> started on
> > >> > legal
> > >> > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
note it
> was
> > >> the
> > >> > PPMC
> > >> > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason
I asked
> > >> about
> > >> > > > > branding.
> > >> > > > > Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
many
> > >> > > > > watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> > >> > > > > I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project,
and the
> PMC
> > >> is
> > >> > > > ready
> > >> > > > > to find the license issue in first place.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Thanks.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > >> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
> 上午7:19写道:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Hi,
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be
Apache branding,
> > >> then
> > >> > why
> > >> > > > > > > dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially
the exact
> name
> > >> and
> > >> > > > logo.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which
now
> redirects
> > >> to
> > >> > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
it
> may be
> > >> > that a
> > >> > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action
is being
> > >> taken.
> > >> > The
> > >> > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed
a number of
> > >> times
> > >> > in
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it. 
e.g. [1][2]
> and
> > >> more
> > >> > > > > recently
> > >> > > > > > [3][4].
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is
happening [5].
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using
Apache mail
> > >> > list[3].
> > >> > > > But
> > >> > > > > > > groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I would guess this is just an oversight, but if
someone
> from the
> > >> > PPMC
> > >> > > > can
> > >> > > > > > comment on this that would be good.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use
the Dubbo
> name.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > See [5].
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release
Apache Dubbo
> > >> > > > > > > Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue
hasn't been
> > >> > addressed
> > >> > > > > > inside
> > >> > > > > > > the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain
thing(maybe),
> > >> but at
> > >> > > > this
> > >> > > > > > > moment, it should not be included.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been
canceled,
> the
> > >> > > > dependancy
> > >> > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a
discussion
> started
> > >> on
> > >> > > > legal
> > >> > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed).
I also note
> it was
> > >> > the
> > >> > > > PPMC
> > >> > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Thanks,
> > >> > > > > > Justin
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > 1.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >> > > > > > 2.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >> > > > > > 3.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >> > > > > > 4.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> > >> > > > > > 5.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> >
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> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Best Regards!
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Huxing
> > >> >
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