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From Jan Piotrowski <piotrow...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Dubbo (incubating) as a Top Level Project
Date Wed, 24 Apr 2019 15:12:08 GMT
Semi OT:
Could somebody point me to Apache documentation that indicates that
such use of names of Apache projects is not ok? I might need that
information soon-ish myself, thanks.

-J

Am Mi., 24. Apr. 2019 um 17:07 Uhr schrieb Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>:
>
> Hi,
>
> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
>
> The rename makes sense for ecosystem projects, especially for these three.
> I also used to see the traditional rename to xxx-for-apache-project
> 1. js, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
> 2. python, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-client-py
> 3. php, https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo-php-framework
>
> Also, please pay attention to this[1]. This is a release repo(npm), the
> description in Chinese, I assume it related to [2]. Right?
> If yes, this release dist should be renamed. SkyWalking used to be asked
> stop in the same case.
> Because it misguides user this is Apache release, which isn't.
>
> [1] https://www.npmjs.com/package/dubbo2.js
> [2] https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo2.js
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
>
> Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:46写道:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > > 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> > > 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name
> > > 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name
> > dubbo.github.io,
> > > but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in
> > > this group
> > > 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> > > xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> >
> > Please discuss with your community, then make the decision. I just reply
> > the Huxing's. Transfer the repos in the org(except the dubbo.github.io,
> > if the community wants), is also a good idea.
> >
> > I think both you and Huxing have been clear about my concern. I trust the
> > Dubbo community could make it right.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >
> > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 下午10:16写道:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Those two are good options. Please read my prev reply[1], which
> >> concerns me
> >> > more are
> >> > 1. Website codebase.
> >> > 2. GitHub org name and logo.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sheng, If your concerns here are confirmed to be disallowed, we will do
> >> the
> >> following things against dubbo group:
> >> 1. We will remove the organization avatar
> >> 2. We are ready to rename organization name from 'dubbo' to other name
> >> 3. Because of action 2, we will also lose the domain name dubbo.github.io
> >> ,
> >> but it also makes things easier, since we don't need to keep website in
> >> this group
> >> 4. We plan to rename all projects in this organization to
> >> xxx-for-apache-dubbo
> >>
> >> Let me know if your concerns will be completely addressed once the actions
> >> above are made. Before it, I'd like to confirm with our mentors and
> >> hopefully get back to you soon.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> -Ian.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:56 PM Huxing Zhang <huxing@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:01 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi.
> >> > >
> >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
cannot
> >> > do it
> >> > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure ICLA
for
> >> > each
> >> > > projects are signed,
> >> > >
> >> > > I am not asking to move all repo related to Dubbo, which is decided
by
> >> > the
> >> > > project owner or Dubbo community.
> >> > >
> >> > > > eventually we hope to move everything into Apache group except
for
> >> the
> >> > > repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> >> > >
> >> > > As you mentioned, which make me concern more. Especially you say
> >> > > `eventually` and `hope`. Are these optional?
> >> >
> >> > No. The redirection has been completed.
> >> > You can test with: curl -i http://dubbo.io
> >> > The only effective file is index.html, possibly CNAME.
> >> > Other files are archive for the old website before joining ASF.
> >> > To make it better understandable, I think it is better to move them to
> >> > other place (e.g. a new branch) for archive purpose.
> >> > I update the description and readme, removing the word "eventually".
> >> >
> >> > > Please read your own Incubator Proposal[1], section Initial Source,
> >> "Home
> >> > > Page: https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io"
> >> > > If the transfer has not been finished, you should wait for that before
> >> > > graduation.
> >> >
> >> > IMO, the transfer has been finished. Requests to dubbo.io has been
> >> > redirected to dubbo.apache.org.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Why not just set the `redirect` on the DNS level, and host all in
> >> > > http://dubbo.apache.org. If the two are the same. If not, which is
> >> > harder
> >> > > to understand for me.
> >> >
> >> > Because the ownership of dubbo.io did not belong to either Apache or
> >> > Alibaba when Dubbo joined ASF.
> >> > The Dubbo community do not have access to change the DNS record.
> >> > The easiest way is to redirect dubbo.io to dubbo.apache.org.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > This is a block for me.
> >> > >
> >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
like
> >> this:
> >> > >
> >> > > You changed some. But if you look clearly about the logo(GitHub org
> >> > > avatar), also the name, you will see they[2][3] are the same, which
> >> both
> >> > of
> >> > > them belong to ASF.
> >> > > Which makes me think the branding has not been cleared. Especially,
I
> >> > think
> >> > > Dubbo team has the full access to that GitHub org, so this should
be
> >> able
> >> > > to be fixed.
> >> >
> >> > I have no objection to rename the organization if this is an issue.
> >> > I see some TLP keep an empty group. I think it is useful just for
> >> > defensive purpose, in case someone abuse it.
> >> > Another way is to create another group with something other than
> >> > dubbo, can transfer all the projects under it.
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > > Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> >> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo,
> >> > > this group is for hosting dubbo eco-system temporarily before the
> >> > > transition finishes.
> >> > >
> >> > > The temporarily needs to be defined, as you are going to be a TLP,
the
> >> > > PPMC(potentail PMC) have to make the decision, what do you want about
> >> > your
> >> > > own repo.
> >> > > Notice, I am not saying all repo in GitHub, but the specific ones
in
> >> the
> >> > > initial org, https://github.com/dubbo
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > [1] https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DubboProposal
> >> > > [2] http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/
> >> > > [3] https://github.com/dubbo
> >> > >
> >> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >> > >
> >> > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Ian Luo <ian.luo@gmail.com> 于2019年4月24日周三 上午10:29写道:
> >> > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
done.
> >> > Could
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
org to
> >> be
> >> > > > > processed well? Such as,
> >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> >> > way(community
> >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > As Justin mentioned above, the translation is under going. We
cannot
> >> > do it
> >> > > > for all because we need to examine the license and make sure
ICLA
> >> for
> >> > each
> >> > > > projects are signed, but, eventually we hope to move everything
into
> >> > Apache
> >> > > > group except for the repo [1] which serves redirection dubbo.io
to
> >> > > > dubbo.apache.org.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Now I have changed the title and the profile for dubbo group
like
> >> this:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Title: Apache Dubbo Ecosystem
> >> > > > Profile: Dubbo is now incubated in ASF:
> >> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo, this group is for
> >> hosting
> >> > dubbo
> >> > > > eco-system temporaryly before the transition finishes.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I hope this can answer your concerns.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Regards,
> >> > > > -Ian.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 1. https://github.com/dubbo/dubbo.github.io
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:13 AM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841108@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
redirects
> >> to
> >> > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects it
may be
> >> > that a
> >> > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is being
taken.
> >> The
> >> > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
of times
> >> in
> >> > the
> >> > > > > project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g. [1][2]
and more
> >> > > > recently
> >> > > > > [3][4].
> >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening
[5].
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Glad to see the actions are ongoing, and many projects are
done.
> >> > Could
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > Dubbo community consider to make sure the Dubbo GitHub[1]
org to
> >> be
> >> > > > > processed well? Such as,
> >> > > > > 1. Stop using the Dubbo logo.
> >> > > > > 2. Statement clear, this org will be renamed or some other
> >> > way(community
> >> > > > > prefers) to avoid the branding concern.
> >> > > > > I think the clear status of Dubbo ecosystem is very important.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Dubbo has a very wide community and connected many
> >> > projects/developers,
> >> > > > so
> >> > > > > please consider to make sure the branding is clear before
> >> graduation.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
the
> >> > > > dependancy
> >> > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
started on
> >> > legal
> >> > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also note
it was
> >> the
> >> > PPMC
> >> > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > This is not a blocker, this comes from the same reason I
asked
> >> about
> >> > > > > branding.
> >> > > > > Dubbo is too widely used as they said in many media(s),
many
> >> > > > > watcher(s)/star(s) in GitHub.
> >> > > > > I am hoping it will be a good example of ASF project, and
the PMC
> >> is
> >> > > > ready
> >> > > > > to find the license issue in first place.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Thanks.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > [1] https://github.com/dubbo
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Apache SkyWalking, ShardingSphere, Zipkin
> >> > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Justin Mclean <justin@classsoftware.com> 于2019年4月24日周三
上午7:19写道:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 1. If graduation happens, Dubbo should be Apache
branding,
> >> then
> >> > why
> >> > > > > > > dubbo GitHub org[1] is still used. Especially
the exact name
> >> and
> >> > > > logo.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Part of the repo was used to host dubbo.io which now
redirects
> >> to
> >> > > > > > http://dubbo.apache.org/en-us/. Re the other projects
it may be
> >> > that a
> >> > > > > > little clean up still needs to be done but action is
being
> >> taken.
> >> > The
> >> > > > > > existence of this extra repo has been discussed a number
of
> >> times
> >> > in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > > project and projects are being moved off it.  e.g.
[1][2] and
> >> more
> >> > > > > recently
> >> > > > > > [3][4].
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This document probably best describes what is happening
[5].
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 2. Most star project[2] in dubbo org is using
Apache mail
> >> > list[3].
> >> > > > But
> >> > > > > > > groupId[4] says it belongs Alibaba
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I would guess this is just an oversight, but if someone
from the
> >> > PPMC
> >> > > > can
> >> > > > > > comment on this that would be good.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > 3. Dubbo-go[5] project exists, and also use the
Dubbo name.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > See [5].
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Also, in the last Dubbo vote `[VOTE]: Release
Apache Dubbo
> >> > > > > > > Admin(Incubating) 0.2.0 [RC3]`. License issue
hasn't been
> >> > addressed
> >> > > > > > inside
> >> > > > > > > the PPMC(dev vote), I know LGPL is uncertain thing(maybe),
> >> but at
> >> > > > this
> >> > > > > > > moment, it should not be included.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This issue is is being addressed (vote has been canceled,
the
> >> > > > dependancy
> >> > > > > > removed, documentation updated and there’s a discussion
started
> >> on
> >> > > > legal
> >> > > > > > discuss on if it might in future be allowed). I also
note it was
> >> > the
> >> > > > PPMC
> >> > > > > > who first noticed this issue not the IPMC.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > > Justin
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > 1.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/aae8787244959aeaab0e3e83dd79036482df9e8006f0fb83e5173d87@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> >> > > > > > 2.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/f272b30bd9bb09dc605088504f8ed643bd9a3b2434c9e7ef59b6b7fe@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> >> > > > > > 3.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1987617abc1d4989476beda9dfc9a79eb0e4750050317803b113288c@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> >> > > > > > 4.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ec7995d2c42bafcb8f2778b1d0c6ee94bcbbc2dae11d23c41cad82d6@%3Cdev.dubbo.apache.org%3E
> >> > > > > > 5.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> >
> >> https://github.com/apache/incubator-dubbo/wiki/Apache-Dubbo-external-ecosystem-status
> >> > > > > >
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> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Huxing
> >> >
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