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From Pierre Smits <>
Subject Re: Poddlings length of time in the incubator
Date Tue, 04 Sep 2018 11:42:49 GMT
I agree with Bertrand on that a - projected - viability of having a
fruitful lifespan under the umbrella of the ASF is key. And that IMO is
much driven by popularity of the code as it must fill a certain level of
need to adopt, and the desire of those participating in  the - incubating -
project to keep the works attractive AND grow the community. If either
declines that viability to survive as an ASF project decreases drastically.

Re: at least 5 active PPMC Members
As we learned from the Trafodion graduation, it was (is?) also required
that (some of) the ASF Members mentoring the project were going to be part
of the PMC after graduation.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

Apache Trafodion <>, Vice President
Apache Directory <>, PMC Member
Apache Incubator <>, committer
*Apache OFBiz <>, contributor (without privileges)
since 2008*
Apache Steve <>, committer

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <> wrote:

> Hi,
> On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 11:23 PM Gunnar Tapper <>
> wrote:
> > ...Stated in a different way: if there's little interest in a project's
> > technology but it does everything it can to attract contributors, then is
> > popularity a measure of whether a project is ready for graduation?...
> I think it's fine for small projects to graduate, as long as they
> appear to be viable.
> IMO having at least 5 active PMC members on graduating projects is a
> reasonable way to ensure their viability.
> I don't think popularity should ever be a factor - viability is.
> -Bertrand
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