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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: Milagro Rescue Roadmap
Date Thu, 12 Apr 2018 17:49:03 GMT
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 11:35 AM Nick Kew <> wrote:

> Posting to both dev@milagro and general@incubator.
> As champion for Milagro, I feel responsible for this.
> In retrospect, Milagro probably entered the incubator
> prematurely.  It has got hung up on issues of process
> and infrastructure, and project activity hasn't
> migrated to apache.
> John has, for very good reasons, proposed retirement.
> However, a poll on the subject attracted a crop of -1 votes:
> people don't want it to retire.
> I added a mentor note to April's (late) report:
>   "Retirement vote got a crop of NOs, though some of those may
>    have misunderstood its purpose.  I'm proposing those who
>    support continuation make concrete progress in time to report
>    (on time) in May.  Failing that, I will support retirement."
> I think what we need right now is a roadmap to bring work
> to Apache.  That'll need the Milagro community to identify
> what's holding it back, and us all to determine whether it
> makes sense to resolve at apache or retire it to its
> prior home at github.

Agreed.  There are two big red flags that I see right now that are blocking

- Commits being proposed to their master repos that explicitly reference
repositories hosted by Miracl.
- A seemingly lack of project direction.  Some NTT folks seem willing to
work with the project, but are waiting on Miracl to do something.

The first item is a clear problem.  To be an Apache project, you need to be
vendor independent.  You can't mix the company you work for an Apache, just
don't mix.  It's not clear to me yet that the participants on the project
want that.  Though that could easily be explained by joining Apache too
early.  I suspect there are some other podlings in similar boats, but are
masked by just enough on list discussions.

> Would folks be happy for me to set up a page for this purpose
> under wiki/incubator?  I would propose a skeleton (mainly a
> set of headings) and look to the community to flesh it out.

If Milagro already has a cwiki instance, I think it can live there.

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> Nick Kew
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