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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Default webpages for new podlings
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2018 07:56:45 GMT

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Apr 15, 2018, at 11:50 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:30 PM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
>> On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Dave Fisher <>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi -
>>> I think that a brand compliant initial podling page would not be hard to
>>> create using the Apache CMS.
> The CMS is deprecated.

Then documentation which lists it as the first option must be updated. [1]

> No podlings/TLPs can choose to set up sites on the
> CMS any more. Existing CMS sites are grandfathered, and allowed to continue
> operating. Our hope is they will migrate, but we have not started a program
> (yet) to actively attempt to incent communities to migrate away from the
> CMS.

This is a debate for another time on another list. It is a debate I do not want to have, ever.

<rant erased>



>> The problem I have with that is that it encourages further use of CMS and
>> also that CMS is hard for people to learn because the standard practice is
>> so far from how web-sites are normally done. Better to give them a Jekyll
>> prototype to edit from. Or use John's suggestion about a temporary redirect
>> to avoid the 404's but not pretend to be a project web-site alternative.
> A redirect to an external site does not provide any information about the
> Apache podling.
> Repeat: placeholder page. It should explain the situation. Provide links to
> the incubator and the podling status page, to the original/external site,
> disclaimer, etc. Just one page. Fast set up. Done.
> For a community to decide/plan how to move their website and
> edit/workflow/tooling over to the ASF is a long process. Jekyll? Pelican?
> Jbake? ... Buildbot or Jenkins? Markdown, or raw HTML? It is unreasonable
> to assume that will be done within the first week of acceptance into the
> Incubator. But a single page during that first week? Sure.
> Going to druid.incubator.a.o and getting redirected to can create
> a huge misunderstanding. "What? I thought I went to the Apache project?!
> Oh. Guess it isn't an Apache project after all."
> One simple page. Explain and disclaim. Provide links.
> Cheers,
> -g

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