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From Jean-Baptiste Onofré>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Absent mentors
Date Thu, 29 Mar 2018 04:47:08 GMT
That's a fair concern.

I think that the podling should mention in podling report if they need help from
mentors and they don't have it (because the mentor is not active).


On 03/29/2018 12:20 AM, Julian Hyde wrote:
> The incubator has an ongoing problem with lack of mentor engagement. Mentors are a crucial
component of the incubation process. Incubation is the time when projects learn the Apache
Way, and they cannot learn in a vacuum.
> I’d like to discuss possible solutions to this problem. I’d like to hear from both
podlings (PPMC members) and from IPMC members.
> (By the way, it’s not just a problem for podlings. As a mentor, I am demoralized when
I feel my co-mentors are not pulling their weight, and I get a little closer to burn-out.)
> How to detect deadbeat mentors? One solution that has been discussed before is counting
mentor sign-offs on podlings’ quarterly reports. Any project that received one or two sign-offs
was deemed to be doing just fine. This is an imperfect metric.
> Another remedy is to require podlings to be proactive: if they are not receiving adequate
supervision, they should reach out to the IPMC and demand a change in mentors. The problem
is, podlings have by definition not been through incubation before, so do not know what to
expect. They don’t want to rock the boat.
> I propose another solution. Let’s add a question to the podling report template, as
>> Have your mentors been helpful and responsive? If not, describe what advice or help
>> you needed, or need:
> It isn't too onerous for the podling, and only embarrasses mentors who deserve to be
> What to do about deadbeat mentors? The current thinking is that every project should
have three mentors, and if at least one of them is active, that’s OK. I think that the “rule
of 3” actually makes the problem worse. It’s difficult to find three motivated individuals
(or find enough work for them to do), so a podling will inevitably have one or two inactive
mentors. It has become the norm that most mentors are inactive.
> I propose that we get rid of the rule of 3. If mentors are not active, they should be
encouraged to step down, and if they don’t, the IPMC should remove them. If this leaves
the podling with zero or one mentors, then IPMC can step in and appoint new mentors. A podling
with two active mentors is probably doing just fine.
> Is this problem as serious as I think it is? Would my proposed solutions help?
> Julian
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