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From Craig Russell <>
Subject Re: Affiliation vs. individual
Date Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:17:15 GMT
I agree with what Dave Fisher says. I'd also prefer "unaffiliated" as the term of art to describe
a person who contributes to a project on their own time without direction or compensation
for such work from any company.


> On Nov 4, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
> Hi Gunnar,
> I think that you present a reasonable scenario. We even allow individuals to use an alias
for their public names. We do want to know the real names on the ICLA.
> Rather than “private donation” I think “unaffiliated” or “” is better.
> As you understand we want to know affiliation as a measure of diversity for practical
reasons. We are about Community over Code and want to avoid being in a situation where a project
is unviable because a majority of the individuals were contributing through work and their
employers made other decisions. This happens all the time and is perfectly normal and expected.
> In the Incubator we want to assure that podlings are viable communities when they graduate.
In that assessment in my opinion unaffiliated committers and PMC members are truly a plus
for a community. Assuming that they can answer asking why a committer was affiliated at the
beginning of incubation and is no longer may prove the diversity of the podling. Changes in
affiliation might be good signs too.
> Regards,
> Dave
>> On Nov 4, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Gunnar Tapper <> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've discussed this with a few individuals but would like to raise the
>> discussion with a larger group.
>> Situation
>> As contributors to the ASF, we represents ourselves as individuals. Some of
>> us contribute to projects as part of our employment, some of us donate our
>> time privately.
>> Discussion
>> You the individual is asked to share your employer when going through
>> processes such as graduation. I get the reason: to ensure diversity in the
>> project.
>> However, some of us are donating our private time and may therefore want to
>> represent ourselves as a private donor rather than involve our employeer in
>> the discussion.
>> [Disclosure: I work for a company that is unlikely to have an issue with my
>> involvement with ASF projects outside what my company cares for.]
>> Proposal
>> Anyone that chooses to do so can use "private donation" instead of the
>> employer when representing affiliation.
>> Thoughts?
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Gunnar
>> *If you think you can you can, if you think you can't you're right.*

Craig L Russell
Secretary, Apache Software Foundation

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