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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Podlings & Apache Project Maturity Model (was RE: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache RocketMQ from podling to TLP)
Date Mon, 04 Sep 2017 11:25:48 GMT
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 9/4/17 4:54 AM:
> Hi John,
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:11 PM, John D. Ament <> wrote:
>> ...Its unfair for us to put some stake in the ground expecting podlings to
>> match up 100% on the questions.  Many of the questions are subjective - is
>> the code easy to discover? respond to bug reports in a timely manner?...
> Ok, I think I understand your reluctance now: you don't want us to set
> a gate for graduating podlings that many TLPs might not pass.
> I agree with that, and although I'm a strong supporter of the Maturity
> Model (having initiated it that's understandable ;-) I'm totally ok
> with podlings graduating without fullfilling all of its requirements.
> In my view the model is:
> 1) A good tool to help discover areas that podlings might have neglected.
> 2) A good tool to help podlings look at where they stand, and what
> they might still need to improve after graduation.
> 3) A good tool to express our ideal way of doing things, in a concise
> way, and evolve that definition over time.
> Based on this I will continue to push for podlings to come to
> graduation with a self-assessment based on that model.
> OTOH I'm fine with us clarifying that it's not a requirement.

Proposal: It should be a *requirement* for the podling to self-document
their maturity model answers in the [DISCUSS] thread before IPMC
graduation vote.  The requirement is having done it, not passing it.

It's *very* helpful to have podlings consider their growth using some
form of structured and consistent criteria, so IPMC (and board) can
consider how different podlings see themselves compared to past podling

It doesn't mean every podling has to say "Yes 100%" to every question,
just that they've considered each point and can describe their situation
there if not.  I'd expect plenty of podlings would have some missing or
"we're not completely here" on some points, but still be healthy and
well-self-governing communities ready to graduate.


- Shane

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