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From Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Apache Distributed Release Audit Tool (DRAT)
Date Sat, 12 Aug 2017 20:54:27 GMT
Shane,

Since products != projects, what is the process for getting a product
name onto that list[1]?

Avatica is a product and not a project; we conducted podling name
search a few months ago[2]; the Calcite PMC has made several releases
of "Apache Calcite Avatica" and plans at some point to start calling
the releases "Apache Avatica".

Julian

[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/

[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-121

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 5:06 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> John D. Ament wrote on 8/10/17 7:50 AM:
>> Just curious, but how do we know which marks the ASF actually owns?  Rat
>> isn't a TLP so I'm a bit surprised we own "Apache Rat", or is it simply
>> implicit?
>
> We claim that all Apache software *product* names are ASF trademarks:
>
>   https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/list/
>
> In the US, once you are publicly offering a product using a consistent
> name/logo, you can claim it as your trademark, no paperwork needed.  The
> most important things are to have a consistent name, and to put the ™
> symbol up or otherwise let the world know you claim it as a trademark.
>
> Most projects are common law trademarks, which you can just claim as
> your marks by doing so.  Some projects have registered (or applied-for)
> trademarks, which give us far more rights but takes months of waiting
> for the application process (and requires the PMC to ask).
>
> As for "owns", that's a question that needs more clarification.  We
> claim project names as our trademarks - so we own them.  But common law
> trademarks have limited rights of control.  Trademarks only apply in
> similar classes or kinds of goods, so saying "Apache Rat™" doesn't mean
> that we could prevent everyone from having a software product called Rat
> - only that they can't have a Rat software that would *be likely to
> confuse users as to the source of the product*.
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> - Shane
>
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 7:46 AM Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>>
>>> (note mixed private/public lists)
>>>
>>> General questions, since... we haven't actually had any discussion yet.
>>>
>>> - Is there a particular hurry to bring this to pTLP faster than the
>>> traditional general@incubator discussion period is?
>>>
>>> - Has the Apache Creadur project been consulted about the new project
>>> proposal, and in particular do they have any comments on using DRAT as
>>> the name, which subsumes their popular Rat name?
>>>
>>> - It's awesome to see ™ included in a proposal (most people forget), but
>>> they're mixed up.  Apache should be ® (when needed; when talking about
>>> individual project names it's usually not needed) and most project names
>>> should be ™.  So it would be either Apache® Rat™ or Apache Rat™.
>>>
>>> Thanks for filling out the rest of the proposal.
>>>
>>> - Shane
>>>
>>> Chris Mattmann wrote on 8/10/17 1:59 AM:
>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Just as an FYI I've added a resolution to establish DRAT to the agenda.
>>>>
>>>> On item - 2 of the proposed PMC includes members without an Apache
>>> account. What to do in this situation? If they start only as committers,
>>> that's fine, but then we would create an account for them after the fact.
>>> Is this the desire? If so I will update the resolution and we can VOTE them
>>> in as PMC after the project is establish should the Board agree to do so.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-08-02 10:35, Chris Mattmann <mattmann@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Board-Chat@,
>>>>>
>>>>> CC/Incubator@
>>>>>
>>>>> We are proposing to bring DRAT (Distributed Release Audit Tool) to the
>>> ASF.
>>>>> DRAT is a parallelized version of Apache RAT that uses OODT, Solr and
>>> Tika to
>>>>> compute, visualize and interact with interesting statistics on code
>>> auditing as
>>>>> output by RAT and Tika. With DRAT you can:
>>>>>
>>>>> • Audit large code repositories (has been tested in 100s of M of
>>> lines of
>>>>> code, and 1000s of projects)  where RAT fails to complete – an
>>> example of running it across all of Apache
>>>>> SVN is here: http://drat.dyndns.org:8080/dratviz/ You can also see its
>>> output
>>>>> for a very large set of NSF funded geosciences code repositories here:
>>>>> http://drat.dyndns.org:8080/dratontoviz/
>>>>> • Visualize and interact with the output from RAT and Tika in a
>>> dynamic fashion
>>>>> • Get incremental status from code auditing
>>>>> • Audit individual code repos and integrate the results into your
>>> project
>>>>>
>>>>> DRAT was funded by DARPA, NASA, the NSF and other government entities.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have prepared a preliminary proposal here:
>>> https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/DRATProposal
>>>>>
>>>>> We are working on flushing it out more, should be done by this weekend.
>>> We propose
>>>>> DRAT to be a straight to TLP (pTLP). I will add a resolution into the
>>> Board agenda for August 2017
>>>>> for its consideration. I am CC’ing the Incubator so that we can
>>> potentially attract new contributors
>>>>> both seasoned and junior to the project. We also welcome any
>>> contributors from Creadur interested
>>>>> in learning more about OODT, Solr, Tika, etc. Also any Wicket gurus –
>>> we are using Wicket for one of
>>>>> DRAT’s key user interfaces, Proteus.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> - Shane
>>>   https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
>>>
>>
>
>
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>
> - Shane
>   https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/resources
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