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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Release apache-singa-incubating-1.1.0 (RC1)
Date Mon, 06 Feb 2017 05:04:04 GMT
Sure, but in this case it is;
  1. Singa depends on Glog
  2. Glog is BSD licensed
  3. Glog use a build tool chain that is GPL'd and includes a build script
to compensate for missing toolchain tools.
  4. Singa doesn't use Glog's build toolchain

Your (John) argument is that Glog is incorrectly licensed and should have
been GPL'd. I think that reasoning is incorrect, and that Glog is licensed
correctly and hence it is not relevant whether it is optional or not for
Singa.

Given that we have both belt and suspenders for this, I think the -1 can be
withdrawn regarding the Glog dependency.

Cheers
Niclas

On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:49 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
wrote:

> We actually just had a discussion recently on legal-discuss on this type of
> topic.  Specifically, Cat-X and optional vs required dependencies.  Henri
> and I settled on the wording you'll find at [1] as the final result.
> Basically, you can rely on Cat-X but only for optional features.
>
> We can probably follow up with legal on whether this does fall into the GPL
> bucket though.
>
> John
>
> [1]: https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional
>
> On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:45 PM Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
>
> > I think that ends up being a build time dependency in GLOG, i.e. the
> > equivalent of Systems Requirement, and not in itself viral to the ASF
> > software. I assume that Google is much more worried about this and may
> even
> > have checked with their Legal team...
> >
> > Want to check with legal-discuss@ ? Is my memory failing me, or hasn't
> FSF
> > stated that the build output is not bound by GPL of the build toolchain?
> > (otherwise they can't release their own LGPL stuff)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Niclas
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:27 AM, John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > -1 at least I think there's an issue.
> > >
> > > While the source code all looks good, the resulting binary is not
> valid.
> > > There's no how to build doc, so I looked at your .travis.yml.  It
> > confirmed
> > > what I suspected for make, but then I started looking at your required
> > > packages.
> > >
> > > You require glog [1], which I can't find a license for.  However, glog
> > > includes [2] which is GPL, which makes glog GPL and as a result, your
> > code.
> > >
> > > [1]: https://github.com/google/glog
> > > [2]: https://github.com/google/glog/blob/master/missing
> > >
> > > - John
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 8:24 PM Wang Wei <wangwei@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > The SINGA community has voted on and approved a proposal to release
> > > Apache
> > > > SINGA 1.1.0 (incubating).
> > > >
> > > > The vote thread is at:
> > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/singa-dev/201701.mbox/%
> > > > 3CCAJz0iLvAaEd5AgCqaWFD1M4-D_3EBh%3DUHbeZu-MRn%3DcKuQiX-Q%4
> > > 0mail.gmail.com
> > > > %3E
> > > >
> > > > and the result is at:
> > > >
> > > > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/singa-dev/201701.mbox/%
> > > 3cCAJz0iLspBOrsCSTaWuraOWwETiDB4cn14ak5SgdYB8umXOJ3Kw@mail.gmail.com
> %3e
> > > >
> > > > We ask the IPMC to vote on this release.
> > > >
> > > > The artifacts to be voted on are located here:
> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/singa/1.1.0/
> > > >
> > > > The hashes of the artifacts are as follows:
> > > > MD5:  08 CA 31 10 4E 79 02 16  A1 D7 3F 20 2D 60 21 BB
> > > >
> > > > Release artifacts are signed with the following key:
> > > > https://people.apache.org/keys/committer/dinhtta.asc
> > > >
> > > > and the signature file is:
> > > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/singa/1.1.0
> > > > /apache-singa-incubating-1.1.0-RC1.tar.gz.asc
> > > >
> > > > The Github tag is at:
> > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-singa/releases/tag/v1.1.0-rc1
> > > > commit ID is: 59ca44a7ce38ce4f965511c805cda074d0b8e360
> > > >
> > > > To check the license, you can use the Apache Rat tool as follows:
> > > > 1. download & decompress apache rat from
> > http://creadur.apache.org/rat/
> > > > download_rat.cgi
> > > > 2. run the following command under singa folder:
> > > >     java -jar /PATH/TO/RAT/apache-rat-0.11.jar -E rat-excludes -d .
> >
> > > > rat_check
> > > > 3. check the results in file named "rat_check"
> > > >
> > > > Please check and vote on releasing this package. The vote is open for
> > at
> > > > least 72 hours and passes if a majority of at least three +1 votes
> are
> > > > cast.
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache SINGA 1.0.0-incubating
> > > > [ ]  0 I don't feel strongly about it, but I'm okay with the release
> > > > [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Wei
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy for
> Java
> >
>



-- 
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy for Java

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