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From James Bognar <>
Subject Re: JSON License and Apache Projects
Date Thu, 24 Nov 2016 01:16:02 GMT
Shameless plug for Apache Juneau that has a cleanroom implementation of a
JSON serializer and parser in context of a common serialization API that
includes a variety of serialization languages for POJOs.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:10 PM Ted Dunning <> wrote:

> The VP Legal for Apache has determined that the JSON processing library
> from <> is not usable as a
> dependency by Apache projects. This is because the license includes a line
> that places a field of use condition on downstream users in a way that is
> not compatible with Apache's license.
> This decision is, unfortunately, a change from the previous situation.
> While the current decision is correct, it would have been nice if we had
> had this decision originally.
> As such, some existing projects may be impacted because they assumed that
> the dependency was OK to use.
> Incubator projects that are currently using the library have
> several courses of action:
> 1) just drop it. Some projects like Storm have demos that use twitter4j
> which incorporates the problematic code. These demos aren't core and could
> just be dropped for a time.
> 2) help dependencies move away from problem code. I have sent a pull
> request to twitter4 <>j, for
> example, that eliminates the problem. If they accept the pull, then all
> would be good for the projects that use twitter4j (and thus
> 3) replace the artifact with a compatible one that is open
> source.
> I have created and published an artifact based on clean-room Android code
> <> that replicates the most important
> parts of the code. This code is compatible, but lacks some
> coverage. It also could lead to jar hell if used unjudiciously because it
> uses the org.json package. Shading and exclusion in a pom might help. Or
> not. Go with caution here.
> 4) switch to safer alternatives such as Jackson. This requires code
> changes, but is probably a good thing to do. This option is the one that is
> best in the long-term but is also the most expensive.
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jim Jagielski <>
> Date: Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:10 AM
> Subject: JSON License and Apache Projects
> To: ASF Board <>
> (forwarded from legal-discuss@)
> As some of you may know, recently the JSON License has been
> moved to Category X (
> I understand that this has impacted some projects, especially
> those in the midst of doing a release. I also understand that
> up until now, really, there has been no real "outcry" over our
> usage of it, especially from end-users and other consumers of
> our projects which use it.
> As compelling as that is, the fact is that the JSON license
> itself is not OSI approved and is therefore not, by definition,
> an "Open Source license" and, as such, cannot be considered as
> one which is acceptable as related to categories.
> Therefore, w/ my VP Legal hat on, I am making the following
> statements:
>  o No new project, sub-project or codebase, which has not
>    used JSON licensed jars (or similar), are allowed to use
>    them. In other words, if you haven't been using them, you
>    aren't allowed to start. It is Cat-X.
>  o If you have been using it, and have done so in a *release*,
>    AND there has been NO pushback from your community/eco-system,
>    you have a temporary exclusion from the Cat-X classification thru
>    April 30, 2017. At that point in time, ANY and ALL usage
>    of these JSON licensed artifacts are DISALLOWED. You must
>    either find a suitably licensed replacement, or do without.
>    There will be NO exceptions.
>  o Any situation not covered by the above is an implicit
>    DISALLOWAL of usage.
> Also please note that in the 2nd situation (where a temporary
> exclusion has been granted), you MUST ensure that NOTICE explicitly
> notifies the end-user that a JSON licensed artifact exists. They
> may not be aware of it up to now, and that MUST be addressed.
> If there are any questions, please ask on the legal-discuss@a.o
> list.
> --
> Jim Jagielski
> VP Legal Affairs

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