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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: Incoming Website Changes
Date Sat, 26 Nov 2016 23:03:57 GMT
On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 4:06 PM, John D. Ament <>

> On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 4:57 PM Greg Stein <> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 25, 2016 at 8:26 AM, John D. Ament <>
> > wrote:
> > >...
> >
> > > Graduation Guide
> > >
> > > Added a link to the Maturity Model as a step to follow for graduation.
> > >
> >
> > There has been past controversy on including that as a graduation step.
> I'm
> > not clear that was a proper addition. Every discussion has said that it
> can
> > be used as a *guide*, rather than as a checklist.
> I argued myself into adding this one.  While I don't disagree with your
> perspective, every time a podling graduates it comes up from board
> members.

Some Directors != The Board

The Board has never required the IPMC to use the APMM as a requirement for
graduation. And, I don't recall the IPMC making that requirement either.

>   The IPMC did not prepare the maturity model, yet somehow it
> applies to podlings planning to graduate.

Says who?

> I'll point out that the page itself states this is only a guide, not a

On graduation.html, you list "Complete the Apache Project Maturity Model"
as one of the preparation steps. That does not sound like a guide.

policy.  So I don't think we've changed Incubator policy by adding a link.

By listing it like that on the graduation page, it is de facto policy.

> I could see it being stated as more of "compare the podlings actions and
> behaviors against the maturity model.  I could also see it moving into the
> "Other Issues" section of the guide instead of the checklist section.
> Thoughts?

Personally, I'd be fine with the link under "Other Issues". Something like
"You may find the APMM a useful guide, to look at different factors in your
podling's community."  (<waves-hand> on phrasing)


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