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From Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DRAFT] Incubator PMC Board Report - August 2016
Date Mon, 08 Aug 2016 20:32:55 GMT
Le 8 août 2016 21:04, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net> a écrit :
>
> Hi John,
>
> I've probably missed your ping. That's right that last month I didn't
sign for two reasons:
> 1. the report was empty
> 2. I don't see lot of activity on the BatchEE project:
> 2.1. There are some commits (
https://github.com/apache/incubator-batchee/commits/master) but not super
active
> 2.2. Same for the mailing lists:
>   http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-user/
>   http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-batchee-dev/
>
> I'm not sure that BatchEE can be a project by its own as I'm not sure we
have a community around (especially an user community).

To be honest got very various feesback from tomcat, standalone and tomee
users. Putting batchee behind tomee or geronimo would kill the remaining
66% of users IMO and the community would be quite weird or not
heterogeneous at least (so not a real one). That to say i have a very mixes
feeling about umbrella projects.

> I agree with Romain that BatchEE could be part of a kind of umbrella
project.
> If we have good sign that we have an user community around, then it makes
sense to discuss about graduation.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 08/08/2016 05:57 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>>
>> Romain,
>>
>> I've actually been pushing to get BatchEE to graduate for some time.
IMHO
>> there's no more benefit in the incubator for you guys.
>>
>> I'm pointing out the issue, as last month a mentor refused sign off due
to
>> lack of content in your report.  The current report doesn't seem to be
much
>> better.  I pinged JB off list, so far no answer there either.
>>
>> - John
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:49 AM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibucau@gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi John,
>>>
>>> Think we can be blamed to not have answered you but we took actions in
>>> general. That said Mark was more pointing out that if there are issues
with
>>> the content it should probably be sent to batchee too explaining why and
>>> what is expected/how we can enhance it. Typically this time you pointed
out
>>> it was "too empty" for you but I'm not sure there is a list I'm not
aware
>>> of but it would have been completely silently ignored cause batchee@
>>> wouldn't have been notified of that.
>>>
>>> More generally it is quite hard to fill this report for stable projects
>>> (which doesn't mean they are not alive but just they are stable enough
to
>>> not get as much activity as BigData projects ;)). I'm not sure we should
>>> group them either in a new umbrella project or an existing one -
typically
>>> we could create an inconsistent bucket in term of user communities but
>>> consistent in term of maintainers/asf guys - or just keep it like that
but
>>> this "issue" will come back regularly I think and it would be great to
>>> "skip" these round trips if possible and have a clear statement about
>>> projects having by design an irregular activity - thinking to EE
projects
>>> which have a big activity after spec releases then mainly just
maintenance
>>> until next round.
>>>
>>> You probably guessed that I would love to avoid to let small projects be
>>> swallowed by bigger projects to skip this kind of lifecycle/activity
issue
>>> and avoid to create inconsistent (user) communities but I have to admit
I
>>> don't have a good view of the incubator freedom we can have on that
area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>>>
>>> 2016-08-08 17:22 GMT+02:00 John D. Ament <johndament@apache.org>:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 3:47 AM Mark Struberg <struberg@yahoo.de.invalid
>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> John, others. Would you please also add in the BatchEE amendments I
did
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Next time a draft is sent, it will be picked up (its just copy and
>>>
>>> paste).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The feedback mechanism is great but we could improve this by also
>>>
>>> sending
>>>>>
>>>>> a mail to the respective podling if you have feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know that I've personally sent feedback/questions to BatchEE before,
>>>> without any response from the podling.
>>>>
>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/262e43b2bb49d1ef5058a74f43b4f7
>>>> c1e4ec6b9fb4f5896d28e95918@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/044be9dc4b10136a7025ca5e031b33
>>>> 12e2dee8b93680483a754b594e@%3Cdev.batchee.apache.org%3E
>>>>
>>>> - John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That way we could fix left-overs and missed paragraphs much easier.
>>>>>
>>>>> txs and LieGrue,
>>>>> strub
>>>>>
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>>
>
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> Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> jbonofre@apache.org
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