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From Sam Ruby <>
Subject Re: Release dependant on LGPL
Date Fri, 19 Feb 2016 00:18:45 GMT
On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 4:49 PM, Marvin Humphrey <> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Luciano Resende <> wrote:
>> Apache Toree had a similar issue, and we have discussed this in
>> legal-discuss, and here is the feedback from Jim, VP of Legal
> The LGPL's reverse engineering provisions make it more difficult to
> understand the licensing obligations of any ostensibly
> Apache-2-licensed product with an LGPL-licensed mandatory runtime
> dependency.  Jim speaks for many of us in that thread.
> However, one of the reasons we have the "incubating" label is to let
> people know that "incubating" releases may not be fully compliant with
> all Apache policies.
> See for an example of
> where incubating releases were allowed with a runtime dependency on a
> non-approved license.  Just as Greg laid out, a plan was proposed for
> removing the dependency before graduation and the VP Legal at the
> time, Sam Ruby, gave his OK.
> With LEGAL-86, VP Legal's approval was sought in advance, and in
> general podlings should should be aware of resources like the
> legal-discuss@apache list and should learn when and how to utilize
> them. However, unless Greg advises Mynewt to consult VP Legal (and I'm
> all but certain he won't), that won't be necessary in this case.

I'm not Greg, but I would suggest at least notifying VP Legal, and by
that I mean sending a note to Jim copying legal-discuss, and not
merely assuming that he is both lurking here and is likely to make the
same determination that I would (and did) under similar circumstances.

I'm just being careful and respectful - I am NOT expecting this to
turn up any issues.  And a single request can cover both the Mynewt
and Toree cases, even though they are subtly different (Mynewt plans
to replace the library under question, and the library that Toree
depends on is actively being re-licensed).

Unless anybody objects or would rather be the one to do so, I will
send this note, and refer to this discussion for context.

- Sam Ruby

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