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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Confusion over NOTICE vs LICENSE files
Date Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:32:46 GMT
On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Justin Mclean <> wrote:
> Perhaps it's time to ask TLP to review their LICENCE / NOTICE to be a little
> more consistent with current policy?

I approached a bunch of Lucene PMC members about this at ApacheCon a couple
years back and they were receptive to the idea.

However, I don't think we should approach any other TLPs, to be honest.  A lot
of the issues we'd like to fix in TLP LICENSE and NOTICE files would improve
compliance with Apache *policy*, not law.  TLPs are the Board's purview -- the
Incubator's writ only extends to podlings.

We can let the Board know that poor TLP compliance with Apache licensing
policy is complicating our work in the Incubator, and perhaps the Board will
solicit our help as volunteers to work on that problem.  But I think that if
an initiative to tackle TLP licensing documentation originates on
general@incubator, that's asking for trouble.  The last thing we need is
conflict with the Board over ostensible IPMC overreach.

> Any suggestion on how we would go about this?

For any TLP we approach, I think we need to ensure that any proposed revisions
are real, valuable contributions to the community.

*   Provide patches, rather than point out flaws.
*   Explain persuasively and coherently to the PMC why these patches should be
    applied, while minimizing what we ask of them in terms of review and
*   If possible, provide project-specific improvements which will help the PMC
    handle licensing better and with less effort in the future.

We need to bear in mind that we are outsiders while a project's PMC members
are charged with legal oversight of their project, and that there is generally
limited energy and patience for dealing with legal stuff.

> Does the policy need to be made clearer first?

Yes, I think that's important -- it will help us to persuade PMCs that our
proposed changes are both correct and worthwhile.

Marvin Humphrey

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