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From "Owen O'Malley" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Metron incubator proposal
Date Tue, 01 Dec 2015 15:53:29 GMT
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 2:02 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <>

> Hi Owen,
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Owen O'Malley <> wrote:
> > ...The
> > condensed version is that the original code base (OpenSOC) was created
> by a
> > company (Cisco) that put it on github as ALv2, but then hasn't been
> working
> > on it. We posted a message
> > <
> > to the OpenSOC support group a month ago proposing a move to Apache and
> got
> > a single positive response...
> The response I see there ("this is great news - looking forward to
> working with you") does not look to me like approval from whoever owns
> that code to move it to the ASF.

The point was that the community around OpenSOC is unresponsive. If there
was an active community, it would generate more than a single response
after a month. Cisco threw the code over the wall, but doesn't seem to be
investing in it.

> What's needed IMO is approval from whoever owns the code that's at
> . As usual, although the license of
> that code would allow us to fork, we only accept voluntary
> contributions.

My point is that Apache's self-imposed rule is not to do hostile forks,
because we want to play nicely with other open source projects. That rule
keeps us out of a lot of trouble and avoids bad feelings. I've heard it
expressed as "Apache doesn't fork communities," which I think ties nicely
with "Community over code."

To avoid forking communities, you need to either have:
* the community wants to move to Apache
* the community is dead or inactive

There is a pretty compelling evidence that OpenSOC is currently inactive.

.. Owen

> -Bertrand
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