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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: [PORPOSAL] Fineract
Date Sun, 06 Dec 2015 11:21:47 GMT
On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 4:43 AM, Markus GeiƟ <> wrote:

> Joining Apache, preparing the proposal, nominating the initial committers,
> and agreeing on mentors is a process governed by our community by having a
> healthy discussion and finding consensus on all of these things.

Please be careful with a phrase such as "governed by our community", as
that sounds somewhat isolationist and exclusive. One of the primary things
to learn about how Apache views/wants its communities to operate, is to be
as inclusive as possible. And that means trying to avoid the implied
boundary defined by "our community", especially when speaking about


I believe the goal here is reduction of authority. We *do* want our TLPs to
be self-governing, but to do so through consensus rather than an
application of rules and power structure. When I was Chairman of the ASF, I
learned a very important lesson: I did not want to impose, or to use my
position of authority, but *others* viewed me in that position regardless.
I didn't like it, but couldn't avoid it. My personal words were sometimes
viewed as the Chairman's words. Along similar lines, incoming podlings
may/will view Mentors' words in light of an authority we don't wish/want
them to have. The podling needs a few people to provide a +1 when required
(Mentors), and it needs many people to teach it about typical Apache
culture (Community volunteers). I'm not entirely sold on this specific
approach, but I definitely see some sense in minimizing the potential for
mistaken authority, especially for those new-to/learning how we work here
at Apache. Us "old hands" get it, but that doesn't apply to noobs.


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