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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Accept Impala into the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 02 Dec 2015 01:40:00 GMT
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Ralph Goers <> wrote:
> The only mention of consensus I could find is in the actual development of the actual
> proposal. I’m sure one could argue that that implies that whether consensus is achieved
> is by the vote, but with a group as large as the IPMC it would be horrible to allow a
> single vote to block a podling from entering.

Right. But imagine if INFRA representative cast -1 because we don't
have resources
to accommodate the poddling will we still use simple majority?

To me this highlights a very fundamental problem with an incubator:
give the size
of the PMC if we start allowing simple majority to just "happen"
without any semblance
of trying to address concerns by a compromise of some sorts -- we're
running a significant
risk of never EVER be able to say NO to a podling when we need to.

I have not seen folks proposing Impala considering any compromise that would
alleviate concerns that were articulated by -1 votes. I see a lot of
'this is our way -- we
don't want to change' attitude. That is *precisely* why I personally
cast a -1, btw.

Now, if you're looking for ideas on how a compromise would look like things like
inviting more diverse set of mentors, etc may be a good place to start
(I'm obviously
brainstorming here).


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