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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation
Date Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:34:08 GMT
All of our projects are primarily in the recruitment business, so it does
me that a project that's been here for over a year and hasn't managed to
any new talent yet has some issues that need addressing.

But that said I think you might be being a little hard on these guys Joe
for failing in
that regard.  If your advice is being ignored that's a problem, but if it's
not and still
no good outcomes yet, them's the breaks.  I wouldn't consider that a
blocker for
graduation if so.

On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Upayavira <> wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 2, 2015, at 08:28 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > On 11/02/2015 01:09 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> > > Joe, can we see some jira tickets that you find questionable?  Hard to
> tell
> > > what the problem is just by scanning the email traffic.
> >
> > I'll (again) point to the previous conversation that came out of David's
> > discussion with Sentry folks at ApacheCon [1] and then the reply from
> > Arvind which basically says he doesn't consider it an issue if the
> > project is "following a roadmap the community does not have control
> > over... that too is not an issue in my opinion at all." [2]
> Joe, I'd encourage you to re-read what he says there under [2]. When he
> says "following a roadmap the community doesn't control over" he seems
> to be paraphrasing what has previously been stated, and when he says
> "this is not an issue" it seems to me he is saying "this is not
> happening" rather than "this doesn't bother me". It seems to me you are
> misrepresenting him based upon this one email.
> > It's not specific tickets - it's (again) that there appears to be a lot
> > of discussion and planning taking place off-list, out of sight. Take the
> > 1.6.0 release discussion - no roadmap discussed for 1.6.0 at all, it
> > just appeared [3] and then within 15 minutes there's an "I agree, and
> > I'll be release manager!" [4] message and then several +1 / "I agree"
> > messages, and then .. done. This looks a lot to me like planning and
> > decisions happening off-list and then a cursory "discussion" for
> > appearance's sake.
> >
> > How is a person who's not tapped into the Sentry development process
> > already supposed to get involved? How is this building community? I see
> > the Sentry podling creating code... just not much evidence of a
> > community outside what Sentry came in with.
> I have no comment/perspective on the rest of this.
> Upayavira
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