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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
Date Thu, 03 Sep 2015 11:56:31 GMT
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <> wrote:
> All,
> I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
> This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last month they
> filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on the mailing
> list.  They have remained partially active throughout the 4 years, but from
> what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd like to seek
> input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this and maybe get
> help for this podling.
> John

I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have noticed
that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for some
time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:

1) We've done a few podling releases.

2) IP review is in good shape

3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions

4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC, but
has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.

5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users list
and occasional patch submissions

These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low to
sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given advice
when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing there
with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't think
that makes a sustainable community.

I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one option,
but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit small)
community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process, outside
of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be the death
of the ODF Toolkit.



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