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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: ODF Toolkit may need help
Date Thu, 03 Sep 2015 12:12:20 GMT
Hi Rob,
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM Rob Weir <> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 6:25 AM, John D. Ament <>
> wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > I'd like to bring to your attention the ODF Toolkit podling.
> >
> > This podling has been incubating for over 4 years now.  Last month they
> > filed a report without mentor sign off, without any feedback on the
> mailing
> > list.  They have remained partially active throughout the 4 years, but
> from
> > what I can tell suffering a bit in community growth.  I'd like to seek
> > input from the incubator on how to potentially resolve this and maybe get
> > help for this podling.
> >
> > John
> I am the mentor who did not sign off last month.  You may have noticed
> that the podling has been filing nearly identical reports for some
> time now.   I'd sum up accomplishments to date as:
> 1) We've done a few podling releases.
> 2) IP review is in good shape
> 3) Community gets along well, no significant frictions
> 4) Community has added new committers outside the original PPMC, but
> has also lost its original corporate-sponsored developers.
> 5) The code is being used, as seen by incoming traffic on users list
> and occasional patch submissions

I have noticed that.  Has the podling been made aware that the report
shouldn't be a copy and paste, and that stagnating growth is probably not a
good sign?  It would help to explain why their report wasn't signed off on.

> These are all good steps towards graduation.  However, the community
> thinks, and I tend to agree, that the activity level is too low to
> sustain a TLP.   If we were able to attract another 2 or 3 active
> developers we would be in great shape.  As mentor I've given advice
> when asked, and when I thought needed.  But I'm not standing there
> with a whip and a megaphone telling them what to do.   I don't think
> that makes a sustainable community.
> I don't think shuffling the code around within Apache, to another
> project (or Podling) really solves anything.  The Attic is one option,
> but my guess is that would end the podling but not the (albeit small)
> community.  They would probably just set up on github and continue
> with the same pace of activity, with a lighterweight process, outside
> of Apache.  So, personally, I don't think the Attic would be the death
> of the ODF Toolkit.

The attic should be considered only as a last stitch effort, all other
attempts at resolving the podling have been tried and failed.

> Regards,
> -Rob
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