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From Patrick Hunt <>
Subject Re: June report prep
Date Mon, 08 Jun 2015 16:35:13 GMT
Hi David, you and Joe have been doing great, I'm afraid I've been
distracted with more issues at home/work than usual. I've been
concerned, and this is more serious than usual given the fact that
both the community and the oversight missed a serious issue, but given
the current feedback and the response (ongoing) from the community we
should be able to get things back on track.



On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 3:14 PM, David Nalley <> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Patrick Hunt <> wrote:
>> Ted can you give some concrete examples, because I see some good feedback
>> along with folks attempting to address the feedback. Processes updated or
>> re-iterated, etc... I haven't seen any comments like "stop the presses
>> till... is addressed" and that being ignored. More along the lines of an
>> issue being raised and the community immediately working to address it. For
>> example most recently giving more time to construct the board report.
>> Failing to cc general@ on the vote is a serious issue. That's part of the
>> release process though, it's documented and been followed in previous
>> releases. Human error this time around afaict (along with the mentors,
>> myself included, who didn't notice it till later)
>>> They seem oblivious to process issues
>> Are there specific process issues that are missing and should hold up a
>> vote? I see alot of process related details on their wiki
>> Patrick
> Patrick,
> I agree with most of what you wrote. In many ways I'm worried that
> this is a failure on the part of mentors. Very early, this morning in
> Tokyo, it dawned on me that perhaps the mentors (esp. me) are part of
> the problem. This isn't the first time that issues have been called
> out with Sentry - and there does seem to be willingness to address
> issues on the part of the project. 'We keep saying $n is problematic'
> - and I worry (and am certainly guilty in my case) of assuming
> everyone largely 'gets it'. I've also not shown them specific concrete
> examples of some types of non-problematic behavior. By the time most
> folks become a member, or join the IPMC, the Apache way of doing
> things is second nature, and we don't always realize that it may be
> completely foreign to folks who haven't been doing it for as long.
> I've just sent a long email to dev@ to hopefully make this clearer,
> call out some examples, and hopefully generate a discussion on how we
> move forward.
> --David
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