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From Martin van den Bemt <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Freemarker Incubation proposal
Date Thu, 04 Jun 2015 13:30:56 GMT
As we are community over code and I haven't read anything about the
history we have with Freemarker, it is probably now the time to
mention it.
The first response on this proposal was "Huh? They want to come to Apache ?"
The Freemarker community was a fan of trolling the Apache Velocity
mailinglists (at least from before 2005 up to 2008 and according to
Geir at least from 2000/2001).  The 2 names constantly popping up in
these threads are Jonathan Revusky and Daniel Dekany. Even though
Daniel uses a lot friendlier words, had some useful discussions on the
Velocity lists and disapproved of the strong wording Jonathan uses, he
was agreeing with the general message expressed in those mails and
*active* in these useless threads and even replying to mails Jonathan

So :
- Since Jonathan is the main author of the code, does he agree to the
move to Apache ? (as we like to have voluntary code donations)
- I would be -1 on him becoming a committer at Apache at this time, if
he would turn up. It would need some kind of "proof" to show that
behaviour has improved. His message were exactly the kind of
communication that make people run away from projects and we need of
code of conduct for.
- Daniel - what has changed ? [1] Since you are listed as a committer,
it would be nice to know you will not become a toxic member of the
Apache community, but a constructive.


[1] (the whole thread is
typical for the trolling) , more examples simply by searching Jonathan
and Daniel's name on the velocity lists.

2015-05-21 15:23 GMT+02:00 Jacopo Cappellato <>:
> Hi all,
> my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I am an ASF member and the PMC chair of Apache OFBiz.
> As the proposal's champion, I would like to open up a discussion thread on the proposal
for Freemarker to join ASF as an incubating project.
> The proposal is available here:
> I would like to thank the co-authors Dániel Dékány, David Jones and Jean-Frederic
> Thanks in advance for your time!
> Jacopo Cappellato
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