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From Daniel Dekany <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Freemarker Incubation proposal
Date Thu, 04 Jun 2015 18:30:58 GMT
Thursday, June 4, 2015, 3:30:56 PM, Martin van den Bemt wrote:

> As we are community over code and I haven't read anything about the
> history we have with Freemarker, it is probably now the time to
> mention it.
> The first response on this proposal was "Huh? They want to come to Apache ?"

Which was also the reacting of Jonathan... but as he is inactive for
very long time, he agreed to not stand in the way. Especially if FM
will be an Apache project, it's very very unlikely that he will want
to be active again, if that's what you are worried about.

> The Freemarker community was a fan of trolling the Apache Velocity
> mailinglists

Most of the "Freemarker community" doesn't even know about this

> (at least from before 2005 up to 2008 and according to
> Geir at least from 2000/2001).  The 2 names constantly popping up in
> these threads are Jonathan Revusky and Daniel Dekany. Even though
> Daniel uses a lot friendlier words, had some useful discussions on the
> Velocity lists and disapproved of the strong wording Jonathan uses, he
> was agreeing with the general message expressed in those mails and
> *active* in these useless threads and even replying to mails Jonathan
> send.

I don't know, I guess he was right. Apart from fan trolling. Or, I
don't remember if I have agreed on something dangerous.

Anyway, I'm much older, means, I can just ignore things that I don't
agree with and go on. A vital skill at working places.

> So :
> - Since Jonathan is the main author of the code, does he agree to the
> move to Apache ? (as we like to have voluntary code donations)

Yes, he will sign.

> - I would be -1 on him becoming a committer at Apache at this time, if
> he would turn up. It would need some kind of "proof" to show that
> behaviour has improved.
> His message were exactly the kind of
> communication that make people run away from projects and we need of
> code of conduct for.
> - Daniel - what has changed ? [1] Since you are listed as a committer,
> it would be nice to know you will not become a toxic member of the
> Apache community, but a constructive.
> Mvgr,
> Martin
> [1] (the whole thread is
> typical for the trolling) , more examples simply by searching Jonathan
> and Daniel's name on the velocity lists.
> 2015-05-21 15:23 GMT+02:00 Jacopo Cappellato <>:
>> Hi all,
>> my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I am an ASF member and the PMC chair of Apache OFBiz.
>> As the proposal's champion, I would like to open up a discussion thread on the proposal
for Freemarker to join ASF as an incubating project.
>> The proposal is available here:
>> I would like to thank the co-authors Dániel Dékány, David Jones and Jean-Frederic
>> Thanks in advance for your time!
>> Jacopo Cappellato
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