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From Ted Dunning <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Atlas for Data Governance on Hadoop
Date Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:39:07 GMT
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Justin Erenkrantz <>

> It's extremely hard to come to Apache when you have a vague idea and no
> code.
> The Incubator is simply too high a bar for folks who just want to play
> with an idea and aren't sure where it is heading.
> So, I wouldn't hold it against people - turn it on ourselves - how can
> we create a process to facilitate people who aren't ready yet?
> FWIW, my opinion from last night is that is exactly what GitHub is
> for.  (Apache Labs was that place at one time, but it's only for
> members - not external folks.)  Once you have that rough consensus and
> running code and have a fledgling community of stakeholders, then it's
> time to bring it to Apache via the Incubator.  To be fair, there were
> others who disagreed; but, the rough consensus (ha!) was that the
> Incubator hasn't yet cracked that model.

Well, the case of non-vague idea and little or no code is exemplified by
Apache Drill which has turned out pretty well.  Good releases, good code,
needs more diversity still.  But a good project that worked very well in

Your end-point of vague idea is a different case and I agree with you there.

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