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From Sam Ruby <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
Date Mon, 27 Apr 2015 19:53:56 GMT
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Upayavira <> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>> > Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>> >
>> > No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime in
>> > 2015ish).  My current thinking is to follow in Steve's footprints and go
>> > directly to TLP, but I'm starting a discussion here (in Incubator) to see if
>> > there are any other thoughts on the matter.
>> >
>> > - Sam Ruby
>> >
>> So one question (and perhaps a selfish concern).
>> Infrastructure has a significant interest in whimsy (the service and
>> codebase). I suspect that the ASF is also likely (at least for now)
>> the primary user. Infrastructure has spent some time and resources,
>> and even has a contractor that is paid on working on Whimsy and the
>> associated areas.
>> My question (and selfish concern) is: We have generally accepted that
>> the ASF doesn't pay for development on projects. What does that mean
>> for the contractors? Are they effectively forbidden from doing
>> development work on Whimsy? In particular, I have a ruby developer
>> working as a contractor who I'd like to working on things like Whimsy,
>> secretary workbench, etc.
> What a wonderful question!!
> My take: a contractor cannot be paid to work on Whimsy, that's fair and
> understandable. He is paid to work on ASF infrastructure. However, as a
> part of fulfilling those duties, if he needs to work on Whimsy, or to
> code up a patch on httpd, or whatever, so be it. As far as the *project*
> is concerned, he is a volunteer the same as everyone else. He's being
> paid to work on infrastructure, not on Whimsy.
> One thing that I saw during my stint as VP Fundraising is that projects
> and the Foundation really are distinct things. The Foundation can
> contract someone to work on a project that it needs in order to support
> the work of the Foundation. If that happens to be contributing to an ASF
> project, so be it. However, they are not gaining any special privilege,
> they are as it were "paid by an external entity" just like all other
> contributors to any other ASF project.


> Upayavira

- Sam Ruby

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