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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <>
Subject RE: [DISCUSS] Geode Incubation proposal
Date Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:14:06 GMT
I believe we evaluate the community, not the code. 

However, in this case I would like to look at the code to get a feel for whether I would be
interested in contributing to the project.


-----Original Message-----
From: William A Rowe Jr [] 
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:33 AM
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Geode Incubation proposal


do we evaluate source code at the incubation-entry level, or do we evaluate proposed development
goals and development community propositions? I'm curious about your thoughts.


On Apr 13, 2015 12:16 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <>

> Pivotal are asking me to agree to an "evaluation license" which I 
> cannot view before I sign up. So I have to review the privacy policy first.
> Pivotal's privacy policy goes a *long* way beyond the point I am 
> comfortable with when getting open source software (or deciding 
> whether I want to agree with an evaluation license I can't read). I 
> guess your defense could be that it's not open source yet, that's 
> fine, but you are asking me, as an IPMC Member, to make a judgement on 
> the validity of the proposal but I can't evaluate the code since I 
> can't access it or the license under which I am allowed to view it.
> Most importantly, the "export and license obligations" you mention are 
> something that have to go away before we can accept the project (or 
> more accurately before it can graduate). Since I can't evaluate the 
> code or the license I have no way of evaluating whether this is 
> possible. There is no mention of such an item under "known risks" or 
> the "crypotography" section of the proposal so what's this "export" 
> stuff about (assuming the license thing is the evaluation license)?
> Given the points above I do not see how I can evaluate this proposal 
> in its current form.
> Ross
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [] On Behalf Of 
> Roman Shaposhnik
> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:56 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Geode Incubation proposal
> Since I'm getting a few off-list questions, I just want to make one 
> point
> clear:
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2015 at 8:53 PM, Roman Shaposhnik 
> <>
> wrote:
> >> I'd also like to be able to review the source referred to in the 
> >> proposal without having to sign up to  "the Pivotal network" - how 
> >> can
> I do that?
> >
> > The issue here is export and license compliance. Unfortunately, 
> > singing up is the only way to go right now. Why is it problematic 
> > for
> you?
> The software currently is NOT under ALv2. It is available under the 
> evaluation license. The whole point of the proposal is to make it 
> available under ALv2 as an Incubating project.
> Our apologies for making folks click through the evaluation license.
> Thanks,
> Roman.
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