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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
Date Tue, 28 Apr 2015 16:21:07 GMT
On 4/27/15 10:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <
>> wrote:
>> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we absolutely
>> do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic (not to mention
>> simply ridiculous) if the foundation not being able to use Apache software
>> because we don't pay for development and might want to submit a patch
>> upstream.
>> As long as all committers are equal and earn their merit in the
>> traditional way I don't see a problem from the projects side. IN this
>> instance the ASF is just another contributor to the project.
>> This means "the foundation never pays for development" to something like
>> "the foundation never pays for development except where the modification is
>> made as part of our normal infrastructure operations. On these rare
>> occasions the foundation is just another employer and the contributor is
>> just another community member. Changes are contributed upstream through the
>> normal contribution process. There is no special role for ASF infra
>> contractors."

Yes, that's a separate and important point.  Every project PMC
determines merit for their project independently.  Just because someone
is root@ does not mean they get a free committer bit on project X or
binding votes - unless that PMC votes them in.

> The ASF pays for Infra contractors. Their job/role is to maintain our
> systems. Sometimes their duty *may* be to contribute software to $Project
> (wherever that may be).

It's pretty simple.  Infra contractors are responsible to code/maintain
software and systems that the ASF needs to operate, including a variety
of services that we provide to our projects.  Their duty is to build
stuff the ASF needs for our own operations.

It doesn't matter where that code goes; Whimsy is no more special than
STeVe is for that matter.

> That is *very* distinct from paying a person to contribute directly to
> $ASFProject.

Exactly.  The ASF does not pay infra contractors to write code for
anyone else - only for our own organization's needs.  Luckily, some of
those needs require software that may also be useful for the rest of the
world - but our own needs are what we do paid work for.

I don't see this being a problem.  8-)

- Shane

> Cheers,
> -g

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