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From Rich Bowen <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
Date Tue, 28 Apr 2015 12:47:08 GMT

On 04/27/2015 10:17 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
> +1, that's what I was trying to convey.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Stein []
> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 7:05 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) <>
>> It's a tough one. We could be setting a precedence here that we
>> absolutely do not want to set. On the other hand, it's problematic
>> (not to mention simply ridiculous) if the foundation not being able to
>> use Apache software because we don't pay for development and might
>> want to submit a patch upstream.
>> As long as all committers are equal and earn their merit in the
>> traditional way I don't see a problem from the projects side. IN this
>> instance the ASF is just another contributor to the project.
>> This means "the foundation never pays for development" to something
>> like "the foundation never pays for development except where the
>> modification is made as part of our normal infrastructure operations.
>> On these rare occasions the foundation is just another employer and
>> the contributor is just another community member. Changes are
>> contributed upstream through the normal contribution process. There is
>> no special role for ASF infra contractors."
> The ASF pays for Infra contractors. Their job/role is to maintain our systems. Sometimes
their duty *may* be to contribute software to $Project (wherever that may be).
> That is *very* distinct from paying a person to contribute directly to $ASFProject.

ok, you both make very good points. Let's be clear that these are the 
reasons, and when this comes up again - the desire for the Foundation to 
hire a developer to work on Apache Foo - we remember this distinction.

Rich Bowen - - @rbowen - @apachecon

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