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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC
Date Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:03:33 GMT

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> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Upayavira <> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015, at 06:50 PM, David Nalley wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:46 PM, Sam Ruby <>
>>>> Initial sketch placed on the wiki:
>>>> Anyone who is so inclined is welcome to edit the proposal directly.
>>>> No urgency or timeframe in mind (other than preferably starting sometime
>>>> 2015ish).  My current thinking is to follow in Steve's footprints and go
>>>> directly to TLP, but I'm starting a discussion here (in Incubator) to see
>>>> there are any other thoughts on the matter.
>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>> So one question (and perhaps a selfish concern).
>>> Infrastructure has a significant interest in whimsy (the service and
>>> codebase). I suspect that the ASF is also likely (at least for now)
>>> the primary user. Infrastructure has spent some time and resources,
>>> and even has a contractor that is paid on working on Whimsy and the
>>> associated areas.
>>> My question (and selfish concern) is: We have generally accepted that
>>> the ASF doesn't pay for development on projects. What does that mean
>>> for the contractors? Are they effectively forbidden from doing
>>> development work on Whimsy? In particular, I have a ruby developer
>>> working as a contractor who I'd like to working on things like Whimsy,
>>> secretary workbench, etc.
>> What a wonderful question!!
>> My take: a contractor cannot be paid to work on Whimsy, that's fair and
>> understandable. He is paid to work on ASF infrastructure. However, as a
>> part of fulfilling those duties, if he needs to work on Whimsy, or to
>> code up a patch on httpd, or whatever, so be it. As far as the *project*
>> is concerned, he is a volunteer the same as everyone else. He's being
>> paid to work on infrastructure, not on Whimsy.
>> One thing that I saw during my stint as VP Fundraising is that projects
>> and the Foundation really are distinct things. The Foundation can
>> contract someone to work on a project that it needs in order to support
>> the work of the Foundation. If that happens to be contributing to an ASF
>> project, so be it. However, they are not gaining any special privilege,
>> they are as it were "paid by an external entity" just like all other
>> contributors to any other ASF project.
> +1
>> Upayavira
> - Sam Ruby
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