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From Rob Vesse <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Commons RDF to join the Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:02:15 GMT

Yes I would be willing to be a mentor for this podling if there isn't
sufficient volunteers and they would be willing to have me

I agree that there is a tendency then to make the podling Jena heavy but I
have had zero involvement in the Commons RDF effort to date and the API
they are talking about currently is at a level of a stack that I have
historically contributed nothing to nor do I particularly use so hopefully
I would be seen as relatively neutral.  To be honest I wouldn't have the
bandwidth to get actively involved in the code & design) efforts (nor do I
particularly want to) and thus would only want to be a mentor.

As you said this would probably be a relatively easy mentoring gig with
most of the effort being around just keeping an eye on the community to
sign off and comment on reports and to review release as and when they
come around.


On 10/02/2015 20:31, "Marvin Humphrey" <> wrote:

>On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:21 AM, Stian Soiland-Reyes <>
>> The natural path to Apache Commons Sandbox has been studied, but we
>> think that in this phase of the project, which focuses on the API
>> design and actively involves the developers of existing toolkits, it
>> is better to have a more focused community and infrastructure. Rather
>> than a new Top-Level Project, the goal is still to graduate as part of
>> Apache Commons, that is when API has achieve the required maturity and
>> the project goes into maintenance mode.
>If Commons is OK with this, I imagine this is a fine plan -- good enough
>entering incubation.
>I also think it would be OK for the project to decide it wants to become a
>TLP.  Whether the project joins Commons or becomes its own TLP won't
>the number of people qualified to work on it.  Some Apache TLPs are
>effectively in maintenance mode and have very low activity, but still
>have PMC
>members willing to answer user questions, make security releases and file
>"still here" quarterly reports.  That seems like a legitimate aspiration
>this project.
>A potential Jena destination also seems as though it would have certain
>advantages, though my naive speculation is that it might be sub-optimal in
>terms of providing neutral territory for negotiating a common API for
>Jena and
>In any case it seems likely that if the project achieves its design goal,
>there will be people willing to work on it as long as both Jena and Sesame
>remain viable.  That makes it different from other potential "maintenance
>mode" TLPs which are in danger of stagnation because they cannot renew
>Is that take roughly accurate, Sergio et al?
>> === Mailing lists ===
>>  * commons-rdf-dev
>>  * commons-rdf-commits
>Those sound like final mailing lists rather than Incubator ones.  I might
>expected these instead:
>Do you expect to keep separate mailing lists after graduation, or will
>be shunted onto existing Commons mailing list like
>>  * Sergio Fernández (wikier dot apache dot org)
>>  * Andy Seaborne (andy dot apache dot org)
>>  * Peter Ansell (ansell dot apache dot org)
>>  * Stian Soiland-Reyes (stain at apache dot org)
>>  * Reto Gmür (reto at apache dot org)
>Lots of Apache experience in this group.  Four are PMC members of at
>least one
>Apache project.  Andy and Reto are ASF Members.  Andy and Sergio are both
>members.  Stian is a core contributor of the Taverna podling.
>You probably haven't been getting much feedback because there's a lot
>going on
>in the Incubator right now and everybody figures that with a group like
>you're in good shape. :)
>=== Champion ===
> * TBD
>The Champion's main work is to help formulate the proposal.  That work is
>essentially done -- so it doesn't matter too much who takes that role,
>Are Andy and Reto opting out out as a gesture of openness to Sesame?
>> === Nominated Mentors ===
>>  * Benedikt Ritter (britter at apache dot org)
>>  * TBD
>Benedikt is a member of the Commons PMC, but he's not a member of the
>IPMC nor
>an Apache Member -- so although Commons input is important, unfortunately
>not a valid nomination.
>I'd nudge newly elected IPMC member Rob Vesse, but maybe the roster is
>Marvin Humphrey
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