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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <>
Subject Re: What is "The Apache Way"?
Date Fri, 09 Jan 2015 17:13:27 GMT
+1 Doug.

-----Original Message-----
From: Doug Cutting <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Friday, January 9, 2015 at 9:05 AM
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: What is "The Apache Way"?

>On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 8:12 AM, Benson Margulies <>
>> So, either a lot of us are really stupid, or the Foundation as a whole
>> a gap between the general principles and their application. No, we can't
>> have a rule book that details every particle of how to run an Apache
>> project, but apparently we could have  more concrete guidance.
>The gap definitely exists.  What often leads to confusion is when
>folks think there's no gap, that everything is clear-cut and certain,
>when it's not.  Different Apache projects are permitted to operate
>differently, and the ill-defined line of what's acceptable moves over
>time.  This is not entirely bad.  Fixed practices are hard to change,
>but the open-source software world changes rapidly.  So maintaining
>some flexibility is important.
>What we should try to do are document acceptable practices, those ways
>of operating that are common in many projects and have worked well.
>There may be multiple acceptable practices in a given area (e.g., CTR
>& RTC).  Projects that diverge from these might still be acceptable,
>but they might also run into problems and should proceed with caution.
>Some might tell them that they "don't get the Apache Way", which is
>distressing, but, at the end of the day, so long as the board doesn't
>vote to evict them from the foundation, they're part of the Apache
>Way.  The board doesn't generally act without good notice.  Generally
>things escalate from folks griping, to the board agreeing to monitor
>and advise a project, to the board giving an ultimatum for a specific
>practice to stop, to the board finally taking some action.
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