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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: proposal: mentor re-boot
Date Wed, 07 Jan 2015 20:13:25 GMT
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <> wrote:


>From that page:

    People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC must be a
    novice mentor, whose mentorship is not counted as an active mentor, for at
    least one podling's incubation. ASF members can become IPMC members.
    Non-ASF members must mentor a project before becoming an IPMC member.

> No more layers.

Looks to me like the proposal invents a new layer: the "novice mentor".

I deeply dislike how this proposal erects barriers to keep us from electing
people onto the IPMC.  One of reasons the Incubator is functioning well these
days is because we've welcomed lots of new people who have brought lots of

If anything, I'd rather go the opposite route: no more automatic joining for
ASF members.  (I'm not proposing that, I just think it's less bad.)

Similarly, this proposal effectively prevents us from elevating outstanding
podling contributors onto the IPMC, undoing the wildly successful reforms Joe
Schaefer championed that have gotten podlings like Thrift, ManifoldCF and
Allura unstuck.  Why discard that crucial tool from the toolbox?

The Incubator has made important progress.

*   We're not chronically losing track of podlings the way we once did.
*   Our report is consistently on-time and well-put-together, and it's
    become a team effort that starts great conversations and doesn't
    burn out the Chair.
*   Releases are getting approved faster, with fewer RC cycles and with
    less arguing.

I keep hearing how the IPMC is too large to achieve consensus so we have
to keep people out.  But the people who have brought back these radical
overhaul proposals and are inundating general@incubator with dozens of
emails each day are the same discontented core who were doing it two
years ago.

Marvin Humphrey

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