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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria
Date Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:54:33 GMT
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:

> To this end, I'd like to prose a very simplistic criteria
> for a potential retirement from the incubator: unless both
> of of the following applies project get put to a retirement
> IPMC vote:
>    * there has been a release in the past 12 months
>    * there has been a bona-fine change to a community
>       structure in the past 12 months


I think this is highly constructive, and I think the simplified criteria are a
strong improvement.  For those who are raising objections, consider that the
retirement vote **may not pass**.

Deadlines are great motivators. Just knowing that a retirement vote is looming
should get those releases in the pipeline and those PPMC members proposed.

Having to make the case that the podling should continue is also an excellent
exercise which should serve to focus the podling on the goals of the Incubator
and help to educate as to what it means to be an Apache project.  That is
worthwhile even for podlings who may be extremely active like Drill, or those
who take a while to ramp up like Celix.  Email activity and commits are not
enough on their own -- they may well get you the votes to get you through the
vote, but only a release or a community change should buy an automatic

One suggestion: Make the "community" criteria an addition to the PPMC.  Adding
a Mentor would count.

Marvin Humphrey

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