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From Konstantin Boudnik <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria
Date Mon, 23 Jun 2014 04:20:39 GMT
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:54AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
> > To this end, I'd like to prose a very simplistic criteria
> > for a potential retirement from the incubator: unless both
> > of of the following applies project get put to a retirement
> > IPMC vote:
> >    * there has been a release in the past 12 months
> >    * there has been a bona-fine change to a community
> >       structure in the past 12 months
> +1
> I think this is highly constructive, and I think the simplified criteria are a
> strong improvement.  For those who are raising objections, consider that the
> retirement vote **may not pass**.
> Deadlines are great motivators. Just knowing that a retirement vote is looming
> should get those releases in the pipeline and those PPMC members proposed.
> Having to make the case that the podling should continue is also an excellent
> exercise which should serve to focus the podling on the goals of the Incubator
> and help to educate as to what it means to be an Apache project.  That is
> worthwhile even for podlings who may be extremely active like Drill, or those
> who take a while to ramp up like Celix.  Email activity and commits are not
> enough on their own -- they may well get you the votes to get you through the
> vote, but only a release or a community change should buy an automatic
> extension.
> One suggestion: Make the "community" criteria an addition to the PPMC.  Adding
> a Mentor would count.

I think community part aspect is very important, and addition to PPMC and/or
mentors is a good way to demonstrate the process.


> Marvin Humphrey
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