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From Daniel Shahaf <>
Subject Re: Reports needing shepherd attention
Date Sun, 01 Jun 2014 17:38:25 GMT
Roman Shaposhnik wrote on Sat, May 31, 2014 at 23:39:06 -0700:
> On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Daniel Shahaf <> wrote:
> >> Regardless, I guess my real question is this: if a podling feels that they
> >> need to achieve a certain milestone in software completeness before
> >> they can confidently graduate, are we really in a position to push
> >> them out of the incubator somewhat against their will?
> >
> > I can imagine situations in which you'd graduate a podling that has a
> > diverse and self-managing PPMC and advise the PMC to work with Press, or
> > Infra, or Brand, or Comdev post-graduation to improve some aspect or
> > another.
> I can't. If the community doesn't think it is ready the best you can do is
> try to persuade them that they are ready, but not graduate by force.

We aren't talking about the same thing.

I don't think it would make sense to graduate somebody by force.

I'm just saying that I see scenarios in which a project graduates that
still has some problems, which the PMC-to-be can address by itself
(i.e., doesn't need IPMC's hand-holding with addressing).

> > Back to the instance at hand: the project reported that adding a feature
> > is a graduation blocker.  That is unusual.  The likely explanation is
> > that they misunderstood what graduation is about.  The situation should
> > therefore be checked.
> > If the project has a misunderstanding then it
> > should be corrected, and if it doesn't then it'd be better if they
> > clarified in future reports why they, unusually, consider adding a
> > feature to be a graduation blocker.
> That's a good point, but see below.
> > A podling was asked "Has your community grown" and replied that the
> > statistics server was down.  To me, that's not a satisfactory answer,
> > for the same reason that (with car drivers) a broken speedometer is not
> > a carte blanche to speeding.
> [...] only hope is to have good mentors.


> > Time for reductio ad absurdum.
> Never a good move on an email thread ;-)


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