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From Henry Saputra <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Stratosphere
Date Tue, 08 Apr 2014 05:50:15 GMT
Hi Upayavira,

Should we start VOTE as Stratosphere while asking for alternative names?

- Henry

On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM, Upayavira <> wrote:
> I would suggest doing the vote and the name discussion simultaneously.
> Hopefully the name discussion can be resolved by the time infra is ready
> to do its stuff. It really is a good idea to avoid extra infra work, and
> multiple mailing list changes, if it can be helped.
> Upayavira
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 01:52 AM, Alan Gates wrote:
>> After talking with the proposers, the consensus is that the name will
>> need to change, and everyone is fine with that.  But the team wants to
>> make sure we take time to choose a new name that won’t run into legal
>> issues.  So we would prefer to start incubation now concurrent with the
>> name search rather than quickly pick a name now, hoping it will survive
>> the trademarks process.
>> We realize this will cause some churn for infra, as we’ll end up changing
>> names on mailing lists, etc.  We’re open to suggestions on how to
>> minimize this.  So are we ok to start the vote?
>> Alan.
>> On Apr 7, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
>> > The brand issue is an important one to be aware of, but we shouldn't let that
block progress on evaluating the proposal or working with the potential new community to see
how they'd fit with The Apache Way.
>> >
>> > A couple of other notes:
>> >
>> > - Finding *factual* references to similar software product names is a good thing
to do up front, so we can be aware of any potential conflicts for the future.  However it's
not as useful to try to analyze what the potential issues are on a public list.
>> >
>> > - The ASF is happy to host any like-minded project communities who are willing
to follow the core rules that we require of Apache branded projects.  Part of that hosting
is offering the stable APACHE house brand for the project community, as well as assistance
in securing and maintaining their project identity.
>> >
>> > That said, we also have to recognize that where there are third parties with
pre-existing uses of similar software product names, we can't necessarily offer the same level
of defense for such a project name.
>> >
>> > Depending on the case, we may decide that a podling community is willing to
accept the risk of future conflicts, and that's fine - as long as in those cases we recognize
that we may be forced to change a project name in the future *if* the issue ever comes up.
>> >
>> > The trick with trademarks are that in virtually all cases, "it depends". The
details matter - both on the legal details of some potential conflict of names, *as well as*
the actual behavior of the parties involved.  That is: just because there is an apparent conflict
of names does not always mean that the two parties can't reach an agreement to each continue
while recognizing each other's brands.
>> >
>> > That being said, given the wide use of "stratos" as a name associated with various
cloud stuff these days, that I do recommend the proposal submitters have a serious discussion
about considering a new name.
>> >
>> >
>> > - Shane (not subscribed, reading on archives)
>> >
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