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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Question about jar files in svn.
Date Mon, 23 Dec 2013 04:59:57 GMT
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Greg Trasuk <> wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the input.  To summarize, it appears that the consensus
> argument is:
> - Jar files are not prohibited by policy in project repositories (svn),
>   although they may not make a lot of sense.
> - Source distributions must not distribute executable code in binary form.
>   i.e. Don’t ship dependency jars in the source archive.  However it may be
>   acceptable to include things like jar files that are processed during
>   testing (sample archives, for instance).
> - The project repositories are not generally considered “distributions”, but
>   we need to be a little careful to avoid users’ confusion on this point.
> And just to be clear, I take this as valuable input from from the experts at
> Incubator, not a ruling.  Obviously, the River PMC makes decisions for
> River, and Incubator bears no responsibility for anything we might get
> wrong.

+1 to your perfect, meticulously composed summary.

I'd also like to respond to something you wrote in a post to dev@river:

    First, though I’m going through the archives on legal-discuss@ to see if
    there’s already been a discussion.  As with many things, there seems to be
    much opinion, but little policy.

As someone who became an ASF Member relatively recently (2011), I am often
struck by how much collective knowledge from the early years of Apache is
missing from our current documentation.  Some issues seem to have been
considered "common sense" but have turned out not to be.  Other issues have
achieved consensus resolutions at one time but the consensus was never
captured in policy documentation and distortions have since propagated.

I think it's up to us more recent arrivals, not yet afflicted by "the curse of
knowledge", to identify the weaknesses and take the lead on getting them
addressed.  It's gratifying that we arrived at a common understanding so
quickly in this thread; I hope that we get the chance to work together again.


Marvin Humphrey

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