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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Release vote thresholds
Date Fri, 06 Dec 2013 03:26:16 GMT
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 12:41 PM, Dave Fisher <> wrote:
> I am only comfortable allowing singular IPMC votes from members of the ASF.
> I think the IPMC owes this much to the other members of the Foundation.

I've now contemplated this condition for a few days and while I'm prepared to
accept it for the sake of compromise, I'm not in favor of it.

As I look over the IPMC roster, there may be people who are not the strongest
with regards to reviewing releases (they are often strong in other areas),
but I don't see a correlation between those people and whether or not they
were elected onto the IPMC.  If anything, it's the opposite -- the people who
routinely miss errors, cast bare +1 votes with no explanations of what they
reviewed, or fail to vote at all, are most often ASF Members who exercised
their prerogative to join the IPMC by request.

In contrast, the people who got onto the IPMC by demonstrating Incubator merit
and getting elected tend to be more conscientious.  If any group stands out as
particularly competent, it is those who were elected onto the IPMC first and
subsequently became ASF Members.  But in my estimation, the group which would
be excluded under this proposal -- people who were elected onto the IPMC but
who are not ASF Members (yet) -- is on average, considerably above the level
of the IPMC as a whole[1].

So... I question whether this provision will succeed at guaranteeing that solo
IPMC votes come from someone highly competent.  It complicates the release
process by stratifying the IPMC.  And it doesn't jibe with my sense of

I'd rather that we go with Bertrand's proposal unmodified, which takes a
different tack: striving to improve the quality of each vote cast.

What do others think?

Marvin Humphrey

[1] Let's avoid mentioning names on the public list.

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