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From Alex Harui <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:47:47 GMT

On 11/13/13 10:14 AM, "Marvin Humphrey" <> wrote:
>While a number of people have expressed a preference for the approach of
>electing more podling contributors directly onto the IPMC, in practice it
>remains uncertain whether the IPMC is capable of identifying, nominating
>voting in enough candidates -- as evidenced by some threads currently in
>progress on private@incubator.
>I propose that the experiment take the following form:
>1.  The initial PPMC shall be composed exclusively of IPMC members.
>2.  PPMC votes are binding for every release except the first.
>3.  One IPMC vote is required for each release after the first.
>I believe that this model provides sufficient oversight because the first
>release must cross a high bar, and because it changes the dynamics of
>electing PPMC members: even core contributors will now have to earn PPMC
>membership, demonstrating to an initial PPMC composed of IPMC members that
>they understand the Apache Way well enough to steward their project.
Isn't there a possible bug here where given a higher bar for entry to the
PPMC (you would now have to prove you understand the legal aspects of
Apache releases before you can get on the PPMC) that it will burden the
IPMC folks on the PPMC because they are the only ones who can cast votes
to accept new committers, and if a first release happens but there's only
one newbie who truly gets the legal aspects that the PPMC only grows by 1
and can still be left hanging if the IPMC folks walk away?

I still think that having a "Release Auditor" role provides backup for
getting incubator releases out without having folks have to be on the IPMC
to approve the legal aspects of a release.  Just like any ASF Member can
backup busy PMC Chairs for some actions, any TLP PMC member should be able
to backup a busy IPMC member for release auditing.


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