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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:46:03 GMT
A summarized agreement with this thread:

The bottom line, I think, is that _someone_ has to provide the
supervision that the board delegates to a PMC.

The virtue of the 'demolish the incubator' proposal is that it makes
that point absolutely clear. If there were no incubator, the board
would need to see three people whom it could trust to form the initial
core of the project. The board has reiterated that it wants the IPMC
to manage the bootstrap to a state: a PMC that the board can delegate
to. What's the fastest path to that state?

If you look at it this way, then you could look at Mentors in a
slightly different light. They have two critical jobs at the outset:
(a) detailed IP supervision until members of the podling community
know what to do, and (b) get the members of the podling community up
to speed as fast as possible.

(c) then becomes: get those people onto the IPMC. That's the only tool
the incubator has from the board, so the incubator should just use it.

Once (c) is accomplished, the podling doesn't necessarily graduate. It
is prudent to continue with some IPMC supervision for a bit, to look
out for various bears.

One could hope that this schema is a near-complete solution to vote
problems. The _first_ release benefits from mentors who signed up to
be there and vote, and subsequent releases have votes from inside the

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