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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Fri, 08 Nov 2013 23:59:07 GMT
Yeah, sorry Joe. There have been many of us who tried to do this over the
years. You are correct that you also championed a number of people as did
some others possibly before and certainly after the ones I championed.

My apologies, I didn't intend to take credit, only indicate that the IPMC
as a whole has voted to do this on occasion and the world didn't implode.

Would it cause problems if it were a more common activity? I don't think
so, not if we took other measures to manage the "too many cooks" problem.

Again, sorry for using wording that implied I own the entirety of the
vision here. That was not my intention. These ideas have developed through
the collaboration of the IPMC as a whole over the years.

Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Senior Technology Evangelist
Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc.
A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation

On 8 November 2013 07:57, Joseph Schaefer <> wrote:

> No offense Ross but give me a break.  While I’m
> glad to see my initial ideas gain so much traction
> in the incubator now that people no longer remember
> where they come from, and even are willing to falsely
> claim credit for them, but this whole idea of populating
> the IPMC with ordinary podling participants has been
> going on for years now under the experiment I started.
> The typical negative argument against this came from Bill
> Wrowe who felt that these people were unqualified to
> be able to cast binding decisions during things like
> podling graduations, but I have seen no indication that
> such folks overstep their welcome in real life.
> In any case the concept has my +1, the harder part is
> to find a process that will ensure appropriate people
> actually do get recognized.
> On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler <>
> wrote:
> > On 7 November 2013 11:20, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Marvin Humphrey <
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a mechanism
> to
> >>> reward merit earned by individual podling contributors.  Instead, we
> >> teach
> >>> people to hate the Incubator by placing their projects at the mercy of
> >>> Mentors.  Our Mentors care, but they don't care enough.  They don't
> care
> >>> like
> >>> core developers care.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Nominate these meritorious contributors as IPMC members.
> >>
> >
> > +1 This is exactly what I have been proposing the incubator do for a very
> > long time. In fact I set the precedent by having two podling committers
> > voted onto the IPMC as an experiment.
> >
> > That experiment proved very successful (both helped with other podlings
> and
> > both are now Members of the foundation).
> >
> > That successful experiment should become part of the incubation process.
> >
> > Ross
> >
> > PS and yes I do see the need for me, as a mentor, of Alura to make this
> > happen. I did discuss the projects strategy with project members a week
> > ago. Not found the time to follow up yet but I would suggest highlighting
> > individuals in a negative rather than positive light is not the way to
> > encourage volunteers to find time
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