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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Wed, 13 Nov 2013 18:14:41 GMT
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 11:58 PM, ant elder <> wrote:
> So, we _can_ let podlings have their own binding release votes and we
> could do our own "pTLP" type experiments without even needing to go to
> the board. We should try that. Not for every podling but just for
> select ones where the circumstances mean it will work better than the
> current approach. If there are no major objections to some experiments
> with this approach then i'd like to start trying one.

+1 to run an experiment.  The position that Roy has taken changes the

While a number of people have expressed a preference for the approach of
electing more podling contributors directly onto the IPMC, in practice it
remains uncertain whether the IPMC is capable of identifying, nominating and
voting in enough candidates -- as evidenced by some threads currently in
progress on private@incubator.

I propose that the experiment take the following form:

1.  The initial PPMC shall be composed exclusively of IPMC members.
2.  PPMC votes are binding for every release except the first.
3.  One IPMC vote is required for each release after the first.

I believe that this model provides sufficient oversight because the first
release must cross a high bar, and because it changes the dynamics of
electing PPMC members: even core contributors will now have to earn PPMC
membership, demonstrating to an initial PPMC composed of IPMC members that
they understand the Apache Way well enough to steward their project.

Marvin Humphrey

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